"witchcraft" and "dark magic" as the bible talks about it is related to magical works outside of God's provision. An exorcism that is done through the Lord is not performing dark magic at all, no more so than someone laying on hands to heal someone through prayer, etc. The casting out of the spirits is still God's work, through our hands.
this is how i differ between magic and psionics: if it involves asking the help of a demon, begging to certain creatures, praying to magical creatures, saying mantras, certain creatures, asking the help of a dead person magician than its magic. if its about your own abilities, willpower, self hypnosis, or asking the help of your greater self than its psionics.
God created a boundary between this world and the next world.
Anybody who dies in this world by the hands of Angel Israel, as commanded by God, is immediately reaped into the next world, and it is impossible to come back. Because this boundary of God is created by the Lord of the Worlds, whom possess all powers. Not even a spirit will be able to break it.
So since spirits do not exist in this materialistic world that was created by God...the practice of exorcism is contradictory to the powers of God.
If I am right, it is from God, if I am wrong, it is from myself.
Except that Israel is from Hebrew. The difference between an S and a Z is absolutely critical. Hebrew and Arabic are consonant-based languages, so if you change the consonant (even if the pronunciation is unchanged) you get a wholly different word.
Solum-IpsumFeatured By OwnerNov 3, 2012Hobbyist General Artist
The Bible tells that people shouldn't trust evil and do business with it. In other cases evil has to be driven away, and this is what exorcism does if someone becomes possessed by spirits. People have to avoid becoming evil, not simply seeing it.
I would say it is a different matter. With exorcism you are casting evil spirits out of a body, not consorting with them. I'm not too much of a believer in exorcisms as demonic forces are very powerful and not to be messed with. I recall a story in the Bible about a man who was inhabited by evil spirits and they made the man very powerful and no one could bind him. When asked who they were they said we are many. In other words a whole company of spirits was in this man. When Jesus showed up they crapped their drawers and were scared shitless. "What do you want with us Son of the Most High" they asked. They asked if they could exit the man and inhabit a bunch of pigs nearby. They did and the pigs went down to the sea and drowned in the water. But we are not Jesus and if you attempt to cast out spirits it may be you who gets cast across the room.
I don't know; I've never participated in one. They are just forced out of the person they were in. In my church, they happen, but it is said it is best not to talk about them. I assume for several reasons; privacy, is one I'm guessing, and also, to keep down the myths about them.
LOL, or humans enjoy being right. To make something right, they form a statement to sound logical. However, I do enjoy hearing people’s thoughts. At times it is better than reading an article on the subject. Everyone’s view points are different, though the fanatics are probably one of most dangerous.
An exorcism isn't any more magic then praying is magic. I a sense, an exorcism is just paying and hoping santa delivers you the gift you wanted. Magic would be pulling rabbits out of hats, but I've never seen that happen in even the most dramatized exorcism.
Also, since you don't really have much understanding about either the christian religions or the "pagan" ones you are referring to, your question is a lot like asking why cinderella gets a fairy godmother and arial only gets a fuckin crab. It's a book of stories, even more so to someone who doesn't quite understand them. It's like asking why jedis don't get to use red lightsabers, seriously.
Mercury-CroweFeatured By OwnerNov 2, 2012Professional Artisan Crafter
'If I'm correct, the bible says something about do no evil, do not consult evil, no dark magic, yes? Do not commit any eveil acts, or make contact with wicca....ect.'
'Evil' being the operative word, here. Exorcisms, miracles, etc are performed through the power of God, as opposed to the power of the devil/evil/whatever. Prayer, laying on of hands, those are typical good Christian 'white magic'. Casting out demons would be on the heavier end of the spectrum, but it's the same idea. The power of God, angel, saint, etc according to belief, is coming through the person. They are being used as the hand of a positive deity, and so are 'good'.
On one hand though, the Bible says not to perform magic at all, yet there are positive spells one can use, so it's not all dark magic. Then again, the Bible might also claim it's being perpetuated by demons, so idk :/
I'm 100% sure as a former Christian, the Bible says absolutely nothing in regards to Wicca. Actually someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I never heard of anyone in the Bible doing amazing feats or using dark magic because he or she is possessed by the devil. Actually my particular church maintained you can't be possessed by demons unless God wills it and there can't be any ghosts unless God let them appear before you for some reason or another. Most exorcisms in the Bible ended with Jesus going "leave him alone" and the demons were like "well, you're God" and leave. None of this chaining people down and spraying holy water on this shit. That was invented in the Middle Ages because...well very few things about the Middle Ages made sense.
And as the previous poster said, if a non Christian performed a miracle, Satan did it or it was just luck. If a Christian did it, must be divine proof of God.
LOL, I like what you said about the middle age. The chaining stuff to me is more movie like? People seem to think about exorcism like movies. Also I don't know about you, but if I was chained to a bed, I be freaking out to.
If God is supposed to be nice to people, then why would he posses people with a deamon?
Paganism is an umbrella term for any non-Abrahamic religion. e.g Wicca is a Pagan religion, not all Pagans are Wiccan. My point was that the OP used a specific religion that isn't addressed in the bible.
It's mainly due to the source, from what I can tell. I might make some people on the forums upset by saying this, so please bear with me here anyone who is reading this:
Dark magic, wicca and the like are Satan's counterfeit for what God had set in place for humanity. If you read scripture, you will find that the signs of a Christian, more specifically, "those who believe" are: casting out demons, speaking in different tongues, healing the sick, raising the dead, immunity to poisons, the list goes on. He also states that Christians, or followers of Christ, would do everything He did while on earth and more. Christians are called, in the text, children of God, and carry the same power and authority that He does. He gave us this power to carry out His will, and bring heaven to earth.
Satan, however, also has a will he wishes to carry out. While God's will, that His children can choose to follow, is to build us up into what He created us to be, Satan wishes to corrupt and subvert the order that God created through manipulation and deceit. From what I understand, Scripture calls these things evil, not for evils sake, but because these things, in the long run, will cause harm those involved. This was made as a warning, not a command.
This explanation is what I've pieced together from experience and research over my Christian life. I don't consider it complete, and prefer to keep it to myself until I have a better grasp of it. Hopefully this is helpful.
Thank you, this was intresting to read. Some poeple seemed to have narrowed there minds on the owrd 'Wicca'. Perhaps I could have phrased my question better and not have used that word at all. Though you seemed to understand what I was asking, from a Christians point of view.
OK, here's the difference between magic(k) practised by Christians and magic(k) practised by non-Christians: - When Christians do magick it is "God acting through them". - When non-Christians do magick it is "demons acting through them".
The rationale for the above is never fully explained. Then again, is it really wise to ask for rational arguments from such irrational people?
[DISCLAIMER] For fear of causing "offence" and being ostracised by the Political Correctness fanatics, I would like to add that not all Christians share the above view, only the idiotic ones who rely on one book and a reverend for the source of all their knowledge.