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Why can't some people just respect others beliefs?

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ssensory Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2012   Writer
Some people will tell others "you're going to hell" or some other nonsense for stupid reasons. Why can't they just accept that people have different beliefs than them and understand that not everyone believes in what they do?

Respecting anyone's religion, no matter how weird it may seem or whatever, is a lot nicer than bringing someone down by using your own religion (usually in the wrong way).

What's the point of bringing someone down with religion anyways?
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Tachy-on Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012
:Lock: by request of OP.
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da1withdalongestname Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012
Short version
It's hard-wired to followers of Abraham-based religions (ie. Christianity, Judaism, Islam) but Islam is the villain because they aren't white :shrug:

Long version
Christians been doing this throughout the history, old habit dies hard. Christians been wandering around, put the sword to people throat (later on, guns, cannons & a piece of paper) & force them to convert for almost 2000 years now, what can you expect from these warlike people? The Catholics got the divine comedy that stated all non Christians will go to hell. But whatever, the Muslims also said the same thing but as said, you think they're the bad guy because they aren't white so I say racism also play some roles. Also, keep in mind Christianity once used as a mean to conquer Europe during the dark age, back then Christians are terrible terrible people who love to bash other religions & spark riots to burn down cities & slaughter non Christians.

It also has to do on the teachings telling you to beg & rely yourself to this man who died on the cross because that person "died for our sins" because that person is god & god love us so much to send a fraction of the deity to die here just to revive again in 3 days because the deity loves all of us & this death is to die for our sins. Because that this deity "died" it cleanses us somehow & we have to be grateful & rely ourselves with the deity in order to get to heaven.

That doesn't make any sense at all!!! :wtf:

It also has to do with the fact Christians love to brainwash their children with stuff from the religion to the point all they can ever think about the world will be based on the book. That makes their children ignorant, arrogant & close minded. When these children grew up, the cycle continues & this is the product. Nut Islam also do this, but you think they're the villain because they aren't white :shrug:

My country achieved religious peace even before Columbus discovered America, but the main reason is because the dominant religion isn't Christianity, go figure! :D
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DigitalPhenomena Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012
I don't feel that that is so much a matter of religion as it is of ego. In these matters, it is expressed through a religious context. What I mean is that people are so determined that they are absolutely correct in some thing or idea that the thought that some other alternative could possibly be true is alien to them. You can see this just as well if you ever take up a political discussion.

Also, to answer your question, my personal opinion is that there is no point whatever in disrespecting another person's beliefs. The fact of the matter is that no matter how fervently you may disagree with another person's spiritual beliefs, they will never have a direct effect on you one way or the other. If they choose to believe something that you don't, and it turns out they were wrong, well, they were wrong. Doesn't effect you. If it turns out they were right and you were wrong, well, you were wrong, and that is your own fault and not thiers. It's a wash.
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BabylonSabby Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012  Student General Artist
I used to ask myself that a lot too, but I think I'm starting to understand it now. In some religions it's required to not get along with everyone, even if there's a rule somewhere stating that people have to get along anyway. Take Christianity for example. Yes, it's true, as a Christian you're supposed to love everyone, no matter what, in as divine a way as you possibly can. However, you can't just NOT tell someone they're not going to hell because according to you, that would be a lie. In some cases, but not all, it's not that Christians hate or intolerant of other people, cultures, and faiths, it's just that their faith insists on being true and as a result: they can't accept other religions as true ones.

While it sounds like Christians are breaking their own rules and judging people, condemning them to hell for whatever reason, in some instances it's not. They're just stating what they believe to be true, because it's very hard to put it any other way. The more nicer you try to make it, the more false it becomes. You can't just go, "Oh, whatever floats your boat, it's your religion," because in your faith there is no other religion.
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ssensory Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012   Writer
They could just not tell them if they're going to hell or not all together... *shrugs*

I grew up with Christianity and I grew up being told "you can't tell others that they will go to hell for it is god's judgement only, not yours." So, that's why I think they shouldn't either.

I guess so, but why do people have to say anything negative AT ALL by using religion? They don't have to say anything, really, if they know it's going to hurt another.
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BabylonSabby Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012  Student General Artist
Not telling someone when something is up is like lying too, even in non-religious cases. Say you're gay and you're afraid to come out to your parents about it. If you ended up not doing so, provided you were aware of your own sexuality, it would be lying. Because as far as they know, you're straight. Even though you're not. So if a Christian finds their self in a situation where they have to be upfront like that, they will. Compared to the situation of you being 'in the closet', however, telling someone they're going to hell is a lot easier because it doesn't have very much affect on you personally. Especially if you're telling a total stranger. It's so much easier to tell a person they're going to hell and feel better about it than it is to tell your own parents that you're gay, because there are severe consequences (in most cases) for being gay than there are for telling someone they're going to go to hell. It's not that you're being mean on purpose. You're just telling it like it is. The 'truth', which in this case, wouldn't hurt you because you're not the one...going to hell, as it were.

And that's just the nicer Christians.

The meaner ones go around looking for things to put down and hurt because they feel it's their right to do so (even though it's not, according to their own law). The meaner ones, in other words, use the Bible as an excuse to bring others down. Sometimes it looks like they actually enjoy it. They're the bullies of the adult world. They may see non-Christian people or sinners as the 'weaker' being, and therefore seek to make themselves feel better by bringing said non-Christian or sinner down. They don't care if what they're doing is wrong or not or true or not. They just want to see someone else get hurt.
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ssensory Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012   Writer
I gues if they are telling the truth and meaning no harm then it would be okay, but what you said in the last paragraph is not okay for people to do (which I do believe you'd agree with me on that considering you called them bullies and whatnot).
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BabylonSabby Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012  Student General Artist
Yeah, it sucks that it happens, but it does. It might be in-humanistic of me to say it, but people really are selfish like that. It's human nature. A defense mechanism, I think. We're social creatures, but when we feel threatened or weak ourselves, we have to attack other members of our own species (and some times of other species) to pick ourselves back up again.
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ssensory Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012   Writer
That is very true.
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Black-Allison Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012
In some people's religion you are told you have to go out and spread the word of God and point out their Gods are obviously fake and faulty. So for some people it's a religious requirement to not get along.
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ssensory Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012   Writer
...right, forgot about that one.

Well, other than that religion then....
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Iriastar Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012
They believe they're right, and have the need to tell everyone else in order to "help" them understand, so everyone can be as "right" as them. It's not that complicated.
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ssensory Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012   Writer
I know that, I just thought there'd be something deeper than that. *shrugs*
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esnym Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012   Digital Artist
I tolerate people no matter what they believe in, and I have nothing against people who are truly striving to be better people through their beliefs/lack of thereof. But the moment someone uses that to harm me or my family, tell me I'm going to hell because I tolerate gay people, or rip the world apart with hate and prejudice I just don't have it in me to stay quiet. You should be allowed to voice you beliefs. But if voicing them includes yelling "CONVERT THE HEATHENS" or "GOD HATES FAGS," then I certainly don't think people like that are deserving of any level of personal respect.
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ssensory Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012   Writer
I was actually talking against people who say things like "CONVERT THE HEATHENS" or "GOD HATES FAGS", I was asking why people like THEM can't respect other people's beliefs or life or the other person. I think you read my post incorrectly :|
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esnym Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012   Digital Artist
Well, I think it's somewhat relevant because as a theist/spiritual person some folks tend to look at me an judge me as if I'm about to whip out a crucifix to beat them up with. XD So it sorta works both ways.
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ssensory Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012   Writer
Hmmm I guess, but it wasn't your fault of not getting exactly what I meant, it's mine because I was too vague so sorry bout that!
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esnym Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012   Digital Artist
lol, It's cool. X)
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ssensory Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012   Writer
Okay!
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stoneman123 Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, since most religions are basically an elaborate self-delusion, it must be carefully maintained. Logic and reason go right out the window; they'll bring your little world of willful-ignorance crashing down around you, if you let them. Further, seeing people with different, equally unsubstantiated delusions must put a hairline fracture in your rose-tinted glasses. Is everyone deluded, or just everyone else? The religious insist on the latter, and to avoid these harmful lines of enlightening thought, they seek to immerse themselves completely in their own delusion, hence their lust for conversion.

Also, Richard Dawkins, ever the evolutionary biologist, proposed another system. He stated that every individual aspect of a culture, which he called a "meme" (from which the Internet slang term is derived, I think), is subject to a sort of social natural selection, much the same way as organisms. Those memes which are designed to proliferate themselves, like religions that demand conversion from others, tend to proliferate, and thus are more successful than "respectful" religions. This explains why Christianity and Islam have such sweeping popularity; their adherents have striven for it.
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ssensory Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012   Writer
Ah, your first paragraph is so true..

The second paragraph I didn't have knowledge of prior to reading your comment, so thanks for the new information. (I do know about memes though) so, thanks!
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stoneman123 Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're very welcome! It is always a pleasure to share useful or insightful information on a highly relevant subject.
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ssensory Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012   Writer
It always is. :nod:
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Bazzyli Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Is it considered an insult to say that i don't agree with a religion?
Is your view of tolerance is to shut up about religion completely and just keep it private?
Tolerance is one thing, acceptance is another...

Acceptance cannot begin until we learn about and understand others and why their view is different. I can say i hate milk and people would not be offended because they will ask me why and understand. I can say i hate Christianity, and suddenly, i deserve to die burn for all eternity
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ssensory Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012   Writer
No, saying you don't agree with a religion would be okay, but telling another "YOU'RE SO FUCKING STUPID FOR BELIEVING IN SUCH AND SUCH." is an insult.. that's what I was trying to get at.

No, tolerance would be "sorry, I don't agree with your religion and I don't like it. Sorry." No elaboration on that unless asked.

Yes, you can say you hate a religion but it's highly insulting if you were to say "you're all fucking dumb for thinking god is real."
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tdroid Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012
Respecting a persons choice of religion? Sure, I do that. However, I will not blindly accept a viewpoint as valid before putting some scrutiny to it.
I do not respect Christianity, Islam or Buddhism, nor any other religion out there. Why? Because they are based on worldviews that are simply do not hold up to scrutiny, they have a history of being used to oppress humans and they are still used to justify horrible things.

What is it about religion that supposedly makes it less okay to point out what is wrong with it than, let's say, someones political stand? Wouldn't you point out the negatives of Fascism or Leninism if someone you knew held to that political ideology?
Reliigion is not, and shouldn't be, above criticism. If people find that offensive I don't care.
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ssensory Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012   Writer
..as far as I know, Buddhism doesn't oppress people. Where did you get that?

What I meant was how someone lives their life. Like, I heard an atheist call a Christian insane because of what they believe in. That's an insult, and using religion doesn't justify why you should insult them. Also, Christians telling others they will go to hell is insulting because they shouldn't stick their face in so someone else's life. I just don't know why people can't respect how others want to live their life... That's what I was trying to get at.
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tdroid Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012
Buddhism isn't necessarily oppressive, so it probably shouldn't be on that list. But there is a darker side to it; namely that all suffering is desserved. In a world where karma and reincarnation have never been shown to have any validity, I find it hard to accept that people born into a horrible life desserves it.

It is not that people like mme care about what other people believe, it is that the people who push it on others and try to use it to legislate their own personal sense of morality(for example gay mmarriage is opposed by a lot of christian people). We are probably at the same side here :shrug:
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cake-fiend Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I think you are misunderstanding the implications of karma. If we are born into a horrible life then yes, Buddhists believe that the actions in our past life have something to do with it, but that doesn't mean they think we should suffer nor that we deserve it. That's just how the universe works to them. Buddhists aren't supposed to judge or criticize people for their suffering. If they thought that people deserved their suffering then no one would be a Buddhist in the first place, because the goal of being a Buddhist is to relieve suffering.
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tdroid Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012
Which would have been fine in a world were a view of reincarnation was supported by evidence. It is not, hence I think it is horrible. No matter how you look at it, the baseline of karma is that people who are born into suffering only get what they desserve, no matter of what Buddhists individually might think or be supposed to do/don't do.
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cake-fiend Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
the baseline of karma is that people who are born into suffering only get what they desserve

It isn't about deserving, did you even read what I wrote?
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tdroid Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012
Then was it is about? isn't it Karma that means that if you do soething bad in your life, you'll be punished for it in the next?
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cake-fiend Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
If it was meant to be punishment then no one would be Buddhist in the first place, because all people experience suffering and Buddhism teaches how to cease suffering. If it was punishment that we deserve then we would be expected to just put up with it, and that isn't the case. Buddhists believe that the things that happen in this life are a consequence of our actions in the past life, but that doesn't mean that we should accept it because we deserve it. We are absolutely not meant to feel guilty or inferior for it.
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ssensory Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012   Writer
That is true, and that's something I dislike about Buddhism most of the time.

Yes, that is it, people like to push beliefs on others because they think they're right, and sometimes (most times really) it's wrong to push beliefs on another.
Yeah, I think we are, which is good.
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tdroid Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012
And when we "offend" them by putting scrutiny to it, they do a 180 degree turn and say we should respect their choice of religion. Some people apparently can't see the irony of their situation.
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ssensory Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012   Writer
Ah, yeah. If people want others to respect them and their religion, then they have to respect others and their religion.
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tdroid Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012
No, no, no. It's not like that at all. You see, they are right so they have to enlighten other people. And since everyone else are wrong, they are in no position to talk their religion down. Isn't this obvious to everyone? They are all aware of the True God after all, they are just in denial or they deny Him to be able to live a life of Sin.
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ssensory Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012   Writer
Yeah, I get that now. I guess I wasn't reading what you typed clearly. They also tell others to not insult their religion yet they insult others religions by talking about how they need to be saved. :|

Irony is quite right about that...
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viberunner Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
There is nothing whatsoever to respect about someone who abdicates their intellectual development to a racist desert manual.
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ssensory Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012   Writer
True, I should've added more things to my question...

Like I'm also tired of atheists calling Christians insane for believing in that religion. It's just rude, and I find no good reason to use religion to insult others. It's a horrible excuse to insult another for that.

I'm just trying to go about insults, but I see I was too vague..
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viberunner Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Insults can be good... gets people out of their comfort zone. Don't want it to get out of hand though...
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ssensory Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012   Writer
True, I guess..
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Kinoc-Kun Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I hear ya. I'm tired of being called an idiot because of what I believe in.
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viberunner Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
It would help if you spelt bigotry correctly.

Also "bigotry" is an old French word meaning religiously over-zealous, it was applied to the very religious Normans. So a bigot is someone who is, literally, highly motivated by religion.
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Kinoc-Kun Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Ok, so one extra "g" in there. :P
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carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Tolerance is a two-way street.
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RosleinRot Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012   Photographer
No it's not. You can choose tolerance regardless of whether the other person does. It's your choice whether you get upset about it or move on.
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lyteside Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2012
If someone believes that they should not accept anyone's beliefs and that they should not tolerate others... Would it be wrong to not accept their belief; to tell them rather that it is wrong - that they should be tolerant of other's beliefs?
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ssensory Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2012   Writer
I'm not saying anyone's wrong, I'm just saying it's not right to use beliefs as an insult against others. I think it's nicer to be tolerant and respect others beliefs not better, should, or right to.
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lyteside Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2012
There would be exceptions though, right? If someone believed they should be insulting, would you stay silent in order to respect their beliefs, or would you tell them not to be insulting?
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