Prove to me the Holocaust didn't happen

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~starrkat May 17, 2012 Hobbyist Writer

You can't base it all off of Anne Frank's diary. Even if it was fiction, it doesn't mean the Holocaust was as well.

I watched a few videos on this subject and there were a lot of people who said it was proved that the 'Holocaust didn't happen'. And all the people who believed it did happen had thumbs down.

So, people who deny the Holocaust didn't happen: Prove it.

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*SSPirate May 18, 2012 Hobbyist Traditional Artist

There is overwhelming evidence that it did happen, but in many instances the number is inflated. I have heard 10, 11, 12, and up to 20 million people having been victims. Ofcourse over 12 is preposterous, but I've seen higher numbers floating around.
Some stories have been proven false- such as lampshades made of skin and soap made from human fat. And I think false stories like that popping up have contributed to some people's suspiciousness of the validity of the Holocaust.

When it comes to people who deny the Holocaust the majority of them are antisemitic themselves, and see the number as being grossly inflated in favour of Jewish groups in and outside the US who wish to exploit it. Atleast that has been my observation. I would certainly not say people who believe that are insane, though. Just paranoid. I myself often think the memory of the Holocaust is abused in some circles and is continuously brought up despite it being long over, and is often talked about instead of more current and pressing issues.

~eggain May 18, 2012 Hobbyist General Artist

Skin lampshades? That doesn't sound very profitable. I just imagine some weird Nazi being like "hey guys, look what I made from this Jew's skin!" and the others go "Jesus Christ Heinrich, that's fucking gross, go back to your corner and stay there. Oh and those sequins are just tacky."

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~Ragerancher May 18, 2012

Over 12 isn't that preposterous. It depends on what you consider the Holocaust to encompass. Do you deal with just extermination in camps or do you include other deaths due to Nazi policies? For example prior to the death camps, do you include those who died in the work camps? Do you include those who died of harship imposed by the Nazis? Do you include the slaughter of eastern europeans by the army? Including the various different cases where the nazis killed people and you end up with some very large figures.

~eggain May 18, 2012 Hobbyist General Artist

The Holocaust is defined as the systematic murder of Jews, Gypsies, and other "undesireable" individuals by the Nazi party. People who died as a result of economic hardship and eastern Europeans who were slaughtered indiscriminately shouldn't be included in that. It's not that their deaths aren't tragic, but they don't fall under the Holocaust category.

~Ragerancher May 18, 2012

I disagree. The economic hardship many suffered to the point of death was part of the nazi plan to remove people too. Take the Eastern front, the Nazis went out of their way to kill civilians without using the systematic murder. The scope of the holocaust was very broad and to narrow it down merely to the final solution ignores previous versions such as the Nazi plans to work them to death or letting them starve as opposed to simply murdering them.

~eggain May 18, 2012 Hobbyist General Artist

But they weren't singling those people out for their ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc. That's the point. I didn't intend to narrow it down to the final solution, even if they were just going to allow them to work to death the goal was still removing them from society. What separates the holocaust from the other civilian killings is the motive.

~Ragerancher May 18, 2012

They singled them out based on race. Eastern Europeans belong to a group called "Slavs". To the Germans the slavs were an inferior sub-race. They literally felt Eastern Europeans as a whole had to be wiped out or enslaved. There wasn't the same targetting as in Europe because they felt the entire population was worthy of extermination. That is why the war on the Eastern front was the most bitter and horrific in human history. It was quite literally a war of extermination.

*SSPirate May 18, 2012 Hobbyist Traditional Artist

If you include all those to encompass the Holocaust, then sure it definitely goes over 12 million. I don't(personally) include those deaths as part of the genocide, however.

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