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How the hell do you get a job anymore?

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RobotRabbit Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I've been trying for a long time. The only experience I have is a year of volunteer work, so that sure does not help. I feel like I do pretty well in my interviews, I've had a lot of people who have hired before look over my resume and cover letters, and I also call in to follow up. I only apply at places that say not experience necessary, but I'm competing with people 2-3 years younger then me with experience. Maybe I'm just unlikable. I have no idea what to do at this point.

Any advice or tips is appreciated. v.v;
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redmarlin Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
I can honestly tell you that it is simply about who you know. Ask a friend to bother their boss and get you a job.
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RobotRabbit Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
That's the problem for me, I hardly know anyone here. :/
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BeeSull Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
I would stop aiming so low. :no: You say that you've volunteered before, well who for? Try to get a job with them. If they're a smaller organization without much hiring potential then go volunteer for a BIG organization that is hiring massively. Get a leg in. That is my advice. :nod:
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RobotRabbit Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Well I don't think it's "aiming low," if people with more experience then me are applying for the same "crappy" jobs as me. I volunteered at a zoo, and you need a LOT of experience to even get a chance to work there. Of course, volunteering is a huge advantage, and a great majority of the time the new people they higher volunteered there for years, but that won't suffice alone.
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BeeSull Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
I agree with you. You get a job where you can get a job. There is nothing shameful about supporting yourself through hard, and often under appreciated, work. :nod:

This is more what I was commenting on, "I only apply at places that say no experience necessary." Why? Volunteer experience IS experience!

How long did you volunteer at the Zoo? Did you meet anyone there who could help you get in? If not, maybe you didn't volunteer there long enough or regularly enough. I'm not suggesting that you'll suddenly become a Zoo Keeper or an Animal Behaviorist. However, I think it's incredibly possible for you to sell tickets, work at a concession stand, the gift shoppe, or if you're really lucky maybe even help in some very minuscule way with the animals daily routines. (Even if it's only part-time, a few hours a week it will help you get a better job.)

If you don't think that there is any chance of you getting in at the Zoo, well then volunteer somewhere that you do think you'll be able to get in at eventually! Make sure that you ask them to teach you tasks that will be useful to you in your future job search.

GOOD LUCK!!! TONS OF IT!!! I wasn't trying to be rude or derogatory. I just get the sense from your original post and comments that you might be under selling yourself even to yourself! (Something we've all probably been guilty of at one time or another.)
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RobotRabbit Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I do forget that it is customer service sometimes. v.v; I'm also going to start volunteering at a retirement home with meals, so that's good, too.

Thank-you. :3
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BeeSull Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
Yep! Customer Service is GREAT experience for getting a job too! :D

Aw! Old people rule! I can't wait to be old, not middle aged though LOL. I'm excited to be REALLY old. I bet those old people will keep you on your toes! :)

Good luck!!!! ;)
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DanniHutch Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It's like a paradox. In some places (like near where I live) you have to have experience to get a job, but to get experience you need a job. I know a lot of people who look and look but never get hired, and some who just walk in and get the job. Idk why people do that, but I am just lucky my mom needed help and her company hired me as a part-time intern for her so I have a summer job while I am in college.
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RobotRabbit Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I know. >.> I'm trying to not get too discouraged, though. I mean part of it is definitely me; I've always felt inferior to everyone else, especially girls my own age. I'm sure this comes through in my body language. Between me and a girl with sparkly personality, they will obviously pick her. And even with all of that aside, everyone I know who got their first job with no prior experience got it because they knew the owners or workers some how. I don't really know how to fix my personality.
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DanniHutch Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Just keep trying, also I love your icon. You shall recieve a llama for it :P
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RobotRabbit Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks. :lol:
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Hulabell Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
Are you trying at any job you can think of? Fast food, hotel industry, hospital, retail? All the teenybopper stores love young people working for them, so that the clerks can relate to the target audience. At a hotel, hospital or restarant, even if you the only option available is an unglamorous job as a dishwasher or cafeteria lady, then by all means snag it. It's jobs like these that are perfect for getting your foot in the door when everyone else thinks they're "above" it. You can't be too picky in this economy. (Except maybe being the person who cleans porta-potties XD)
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RobotRabbit Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Believe me, I've been applying to all of those. I was going to apply to a clothing store in the mall, too, so we'll see. I just can't help but feel I come off a certain why that makes me less hirable then an ex-inmate. Or maybe I'm just getting self-conscious at this point.
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Knightster Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
I got mine through apprenticeship. When I've finished the educational part of it, I asked if I could hang around and my boss agreed. That was about it :shrug:
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RobotRabbit Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Unfortunately I can't afford to go to my community college right now, even if I knew what I wanted to study.
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Knightster Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
According to US definition of collage, I haven't went to one either.
I went to what you yanks would call high school (I think) and after that managed to grab a
management apprenticeship.
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RobotRabbit Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Where you in some kind of management focused program or something? It's just that here, especially in my city, any internship I would want (likely involving animals/nature) would most definitely go to a student, because people come all over specifically for these opportunities. I'm not complaining, though, it makes perfect sense. And, to be honest, I don't know what other intern opportunities even exist here. I know that there are definitely good opportunities, though. I think the best thing I can do is just try to get as involved as I can while still searching for jobs the old fashioned way.
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Knightster Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
I finished Business studies at collage and got sent to the company I work for now on work experience
(they kick you out of school for two weeks to work for free in a place of your choice).
I couldn't afford going to Uni but didn't want to get stuck in a shit
job forever so apprenticeship was perfect for me. Few weeks after starting apprenticeship search,
I asked my current boss whether or not he was taking apprentices, and here I am.


Marketing management is where I'm stuck at the moment.
Can't say it's bad, it pays and it's a relatively stable position which at 19, not many have.
However, I'd rather head towards more "hands on" kind of management in the future.

Do keep an eye on those courses. Cancellations are your friend, and who knows,
perhaps by a blind stroke of luck you'll land in position you want.
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RobotRabbit Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I guess the school systems are just entirely different. Once you graduate, you either find and entry level job and work up, or go to a college or trade school.
There really aren't any courses for me to take at this point. I was thinking of just taking some courses at my community college, but I don't know if I can afford it right now.
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Elmida Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
I applied and got accepted, that's sort of it for me. I don't know how anyone else does it.
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lightning-13 Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
that's the thing, these days, they don't only demand experience - like, do your job with high quality, but also with the kind of service that is expected. To be able to cooperate, have good contact with customers etc, is desirable. But that feedback, that you sounded shy from the phone, I mean, everybody is shy because it's an interview and you want to do your best.. they were too harsh. What kind of jobs do you look after? is there a way to get better at this 'job'? do you have any contacts that could say something good about you?
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RobotRabbit Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I actually feel like I'm not that shy in interviews, so I don't know. I'm not exactly the most extroverted person, though.

I've been applying everywhere. Mostly I've been looking out for dishwashing jobs and other "less desirable" positions, but I'll apply anywhere. I think I might stress the fast food route a little bit more now, though. I was looking for volunteer opportunities locally, and I finally found something that could work (they are surprisingly hard to find). I do have some good referrals, and my sister is very familiar with all the local businesses. Still, I hate nepotism, even if it worked in my favor.
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TokyoV Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012
Fast food restaurants have high turnover rates and often prefer people with little experience. Try applying at them multiple times periodically
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Avenvia Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Student Writer
What kind of voluntary work experience do you have? It all looks good on a CV, but retail will be much more useful than other things since they don't have to till train you (not that it's hard but they seem to think it is).

Have you tried things like working in call centres, night shifts stocking shelves, etc? The sort of work that someone with education or family commitments wouldn't be able to manage. Do you know anyone with connections that might be able to set you up or put a good word in for you? Do you do the constant rounds of handing your CV out to every place you know once a month at least just so they'll bear you in mind? Could you take commission work (common examples for people like me, students, would be promoters for clubs or salespeople)?

Do you have a driver's license and access to a car? Having that sort of freedom would definitely make you more employable and widen your search radius.

Other than that, the only real advice is to keep plugging away. It's a numbers game and eventually you'll get one.
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RobotRabbit Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
My volunteer experience was at a zoo- so I have some customer service, but it's definitely not the most related thing. I was going to look into volunteering at a retirement home, since some of that work requires serving (which is the most work applicable thing I can find so far). I was thinking about going back to the zoo, as well.

The weird thing is, I never see any call center or other "not so desired jobs" pop up locally anywhere. I know they have got to exist, but they're not posting ads. I'm not quite sure how to find them.

The drivers license thing is an issue. I have my permit, but I can't find anyone to take me driving- they're all too busy or too scared. There is my grandmother in her late eighties, but I feel like I'm asking too much from her. >.> It's really frustrating.

I will, thank-you. :)
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CammieObscura Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
Without a car you will have to rely on public transportation if they have any. But employers require you to be there. They therefore frown on anyone without reliable transportation. Also look on job posting sites like Monster.com or even Craigslist. And there is always the unemployment office where a lot of employers get their hirelings from.
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RobotRabbit Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I know, but I don't know what to do other then rely on the bus or my mother to drive me. It's really frustrating but I don't know how to get my license at this point. I've also been checking CL and job sites multiple times a day, but it's rare anything comes up. I probably will go to an employment office- I went to one already, but they weren't very helpful.
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Avenvia Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Student Writer
Could you ask at local restaurants and pubs if they'd let you volunteer? Sometimes they will, since it's free labour, and you could learn the skills and probably be considered first if anyone else quits since you'd already be trained.

Ask any adults in the area if they know about call centre jobs or stuff. Might just mean you have to take a bus journey somewhere, but they definitely exist.
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RandomRobskii Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Student Filmographer
Apply everywhere. Even places that say experience needed or even without signs on the door. You never know, something might come up.
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RobotRabbit Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Believe me, I have. x.x I'm just worried if I'm missing something- I'm trying all the local places I've been to and online ads, but I don't know if maybe there are options I'm missing. I'm quite sure there must be some, but I don't know where to look.
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RandomRobskii Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Student Filmographer
Then go further out. Get on a bus and hand out your CV to places you haven't been already. Get networking, make an impression.
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Well, I'm finding it quite difficult too, but what you should look at is high-turnover jobs, ie, factory, bar work, sometimes shop work, all the jobs people don't want. Sure working till 3am in the morning on every fucking saturday is horrid, so you get a job, work for a few months, then go and find something suitable. Its not just experience, its being IN a job. Iunno, I'm struggling too. Thing is, I've already done the shitty jobs.
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RobotRabbit Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm not old enough for bar work yet, and I feel like I wouldn't be able to get a job at a factory. I'm really small and young looking, so I don't know if anyone would want to hire me to do heavy lifting or work with machinery. I'm definitely not above doing it, though. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to try. These jobs don't really seem to pop up locally, however, and I'm not really sure where to even look.

I have no social life, so I don't care about working weird hours at all. x'D
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Well, theres your problem. Excuses.

Most bars/restaurants have kitchens, you could work there. Also quit moaning, if you actually WANT to do a job you're going to have to apply for everything. If they think you are too weak, they wont hire you. But a lot of factories do packing/picking jobs.
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RobotRabbit Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Those are literally the only places I haven't applied to- and there have probably only been two factory jobs in the span of two years that I have even found, both requiring heavy lifting. And I'm pretty certain that you have to be 21 to work in a bar in the US at any capacity. I have applied to many dishwashing/busser jobs (that the majority of what I have applied to, in fact).
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FIRSTxAIDxKIT Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Professional Interface Designer
No, you have to be 18 to be a bartender or work in a bar.
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
You can't work -serving- alcohol, you can work in the restaurant area or in the kitchen area. There is something called investigating, go actually have a look.
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RobotRabbit Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I never said I couldn't work there...? When I said bar I meant a place that serves only alcohol. Breweries/pubs are different and I have not avoided those.
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Almost all bars serve food.
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RobotRabbit Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
There are probably two or three sort of seedy bars that only serve alcohol, and the rest are pubs and breweries that are actually quite popular with families.
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Wereo Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012
You don't really have to be 21 to work in a bar. It really just depends on where you go and who you talk to, if you go to a locally owned bar its probably easier to get in since the standards aren't as strict as say a big name restaurant bar. But it also depends on the way you present yourself, you kinda have to have a backbone to work in that scene,its not for everyone.
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RobotRabbit Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
The only bars I can think of locally are old haunts for crack heads My sister is considerably better with stuff like this, and she hated the bars here. I know that it's a completely different story if they sell food instead of just alcohol, but those places are very popular and actually have the most competition for work.
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3wyl Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Have you asked why you were turned down before?

Perhaps internships may help, and further volunteering?
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RobotRabbit Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
My sister told me that one occasion was because I was too shy in a phone interview, but I didn't really feel like I was that shy. I admit I don't have a lot of "people experience," though. I have no idea how I come off to people.

I doubt I would even be able to get an internship (even if there was such I thing I wanted to intern for). I may just have to return to volunteer work, though. Thanks. :)
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3wyl Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, I can understand that. Much of it can be guessed from the body language and stuff, which is a shame sometimes.

Possibly. Doesn't hurt to try.
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