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A Sensitive issue: Underage Cartoon Character Nudity and Sexual-themed images on dA? Not Cool.

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T-SquaredProductions Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but I feel it's a legitimate problem. (I'm not even sure if this is the right subforum to put this topic.)

This seems to be an issue that's run a bit out of control, and some people here on dA are being a bit apathetic about it.

I've reported violations, to the dA staff, of many images of original characters and characters from various media franchises that seem to be, or are in fact underage and nude or in sexual situations.

Now, I understand these characters don't actually exist, save for within the realms of fantasy, but making a drawing about a fictional underage character who is naked is no different than REAL-LIFE CHILD PORNOGRAPHY. YOU CAN GET ARRESTED FOR THAT.

Unfortunately, some people seem to forget that their favorite character is actually under the age of 18, and make the honest mistake of drawing them nude or in sexual situations.

Sometimes there are even adult drawings of characters who look young, but are over the age of 18, according to either the artist, or the original production company, but to me, that's getting into a gray area and isn't exactly relevant.

I also understand that people do actually like to push the envelope a bit; even professional cartoon companies like to sneak a bit of subtle fanservice into their productions. (Digimon Tamers/Season III did this, and lots of shows on Cartoon Network now do the same thing. TV Tropes calls it "Getting Crap Past the Radar".) But there's a point where it becomes creepy.

Even worse, it seems a lot of people think with something else other than their minds when these kinds of images are involved, or they think "It's one out of a million, we won't get caught.", and don't report them at all. THIS IS NOT FURAFFINITY. (I'm not bashing furries or anthro artists, they're fine. FurAffinity previously had a more lax policy on adult images and the characters involved in them, but they seem to be coming around with their policies.)

Even dA has a rule about this: [link]

In short: CHECK YOUR SOURCES AND FOLLOW THE RULES. YOU COULD GET IN TROUBLE WITH THE LAW.

I know I sound like I'm a big windbag who's bashing people, but it's something I needed to get off my chest, and I hope people listen.
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TortelliniPen Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013
I think that context is a big deal. A child being nude isn't necessarily sexual; in some cultures childhood nudity is considered a sign of innocence. Of course, I know that a lot of the fanwork we're all familiar with doesn't really fall into this category. Also, would you consider something like Lolita would be considered child pornography?

I also don't think that its in the same class as real-life child pornography. As other people have pointed out, we don't arrest people for murder when they play GTA or Call of Duty. I personally think that it is sick and wrong, but should we really let our morals be such a factor in our laws? I think that there has to be a limit with regards to obscenity, but I don't that paper-and-ink children being exploited matters as much as real-life children being exploited.

Also, when it comes to fiction, what standard would we use to constitute underage? If in the fictional story the age of consent is 14 (which is not unheard of), would that character being in a sexual situation be considered CP? I'm actually curious to what everyone thinks about this, because I can't think of a concrete answer.
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SadistSkunk Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I agree that nudity is not always sexual and that not all nude images are porn.
I think it depends per individual case and that would make it pretty hard to draw the line if you were to allow photographs of nude minors.

I don't think images of adults pretending to be younger is CP. And neither do I think your description on a fictional story should be considered CP.
I personally think that, as long as no real-life children are being harmed or exploited, it doesn't truly matter and it shouldn't be illegal.
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Spudfuzz Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hard to have an opinion on something I've rarely come across. Although if it looks 8 and has a lifespan of 800,000 years, there should be no grey area. It's still sexualization of a child's body. :shrug:
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T-SquaredProductions Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, but apparently DA doesn't think so. I've reported pictures where the character has been deemed 18 years of age, but LOOKS like a child with child-like torso, limb, and facial proportions. The artist says so, and even professional production companies do this at times. But, I do see your point.

Anime/Manga while I can't stop them from what they make, seems to be one of these sources. I could probably look up an anime/manga character who has been featured officially nude in their respective series, and find it on dA without any reports since 2009. (I tried reporting one particular picture once, and I even provided the character's age from the synopsis. dA said "Need information". ABOUT WHAT? THAT'S WHAT THE OFFICIAL SYNOPSIS SAYS!!!)
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CrimeRoyale Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Professional
Welcome to DA.

It's got lots of porn and disgusting fetish art every which way. And they're more popular and get more commissions and page views in a week then you'll get in your entire time on the site.
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BootyPatrol Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So OP posted this nearly 15 minutes ago and it already has about 150 comments?
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BootyPatrol Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wait, fuck me, I mixed up the timestamps on the threads.
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rellik1138 Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You sure know a lot about child pornography.
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Azlyn-Blackward Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't know how long this complaint runs around these forums, but judging by the many comments on this thread, QUITE FRIGGEN OFTEN!
Though... Not to be rude, =MaskedGuardian has a point...... to me, it is like saying it's illegal to kill someone in a video game, or slaughtering someone in a drawing, but no one talks about that. No one would ever dare complain about a corpse in a picture, or a stitched human doll. Because that is acceptable to the Gothics, so.. why not right?

I mean, yeah okay, it's annoying to see, but go so far as to call it illegal? Erm, I would not say that much....
okay, there are rules about it. But do you think Deviant Art really sticks by their own rules? I only see their own action taken on forums, or when submitting a ticket. never when it comes to pictures.
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Azza9 Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
Yeah, this issue is either a ethical one or a logistical one or both.

You do know how much gigs worth of images flow through this sight right? Chances are they are unable to get them all.

It's either that or what you are purporting.

P.S. Is that fucking Teruchan still nonceing about?
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vi0letdreamer Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Student Photographer
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MisterTurtle Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
Piss off pl0x.
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wolfclaw97 Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
This "sensitive" issue has lost all sensitivity around here, especially in the complaints forum.
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ash-ketchum09 Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Actually, it turns out that it is cool. I reported an image of the female characters from Pokémon drawn nude, but DA decided that the report was invalid.
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Sapphire-Ashesx Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013
Eh.
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Ziblink Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
The problem arises in many cases I think when artists treat the character as not underage; this happens quite often IME, especially with those characters between 10-20 years of age. The artist themselves will not see what they are doing as offensive and will be shocked that YOU do.

Then there's the problem with uncertain ages. My Little Pony characters have been stated to have an age, depending on situation, between 12-20 which means that images of them can and cannot be policy violations at the same time.

Amusingly when FurAffinity decided to enact a serious ban on cub porn, an entire new site, Inkbunny, was crated specifically to allow it. To this day 1 out of 3 images in underage porn.
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MasterPlanner Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
Report it and move on! :iconwootplz:
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Koyukuk Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Hobbyist
Ehh more like a dead horse issue. Stop torturing the damn thing :stare:
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Calstor Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Rule 34 will always exists. No matter how many times you complain about it or try to warn others not to do it, it will always be.
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sbkMulletMan Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013
If you think that's bad, you should see the cherubs.

DA seems to have a boner for children as long as you stick bird wings onto them.
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Juliabohemian Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013
I find this sick as well. But it’s really a dead horse issue that’s been discussed to death. At this point all you can do is report and move on.
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Kinrift Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013
Yeah, let's all join in beating this dead horse!
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ShadowMaker-241 Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Actually you can't.

Granted it's sick and wrong, but drawing child pornography won't get anyone thrown in jail.

Also, the best thing you can do when it comes to rule violations is to just report and move on.
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Redfoxbennaton Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Maybe you should spend less time complaining about porn on DA and more time being a more cultured and sophisticated individual. Oh and report and move on.
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redmarlin Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013
making a drawing about a fictional underage character who is naked is no different than REAL-LIFE CHILD PORNOGRAPHY.

Bull fucking shit. We don't arrest people for murdering others in Call of Duty, it should be no different for drawn child pornography. Just because the rule is in place doesn't mean it should stay that way.
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vajrasana Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Well it is really against the law to depict a child, real or not, in a sexual manner. People have been arrested for this. The supposed reasoning behind the law is that it could be used to coerce a child into preforming sexual acts/convincing them that it's alright. :shrug:
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Vicsor-S3 Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I can't wait for someone to actually make the argument that killing someone in Call of Duty is no different from killing someone in real life. Someone somewhere HAS to be stupid enough to do it. :lol:
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Pinkmitten Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013
Some people who are convinced violent video games make children violent and want to go out and kill people say that.
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redmarlin Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013
Well, it's sort of halfway done already, what with the "violent video games cause violence in real life" thing going on.
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290Pika Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Student Filmographer
Report and move on. :dance:
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Shantella Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
What's worse is when the characters are from shows made for children. Just look at My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic for example. I have absolutely no problem with the fact that there are so many adults who love this show.

But then Rule 34 shows up and perverts the whole thing! It's a show meant for toddlers for goodness sake!
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MARX-MAN Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Professional Artist
Sounds like a lot of nonce-sense to me.
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MARX-MAN Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Professional Artist
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Azza9 Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013
I wonder if many people here know the actual meaning of nonce...
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MARX-MAN Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Professional Artist
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Azza9 Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013
I know it's British street slang for pedophile.
I'll watch the vid anyway..
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GalacticGoat Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Honestly I don't get the former. It its just nudity and not sexual why is it against the rules? The only argument I can think of is "well how about the pedos get off to it?!?" in which I reply "if a non sexual image of a child just not wearing clothing can get them off then an image of a child wearing clothing should do the exact same thing".

But as far as actual sexual situations DA is actually pretty decent at removing art in some areas but the worse in others. For example my friend posted an image of Ichigo from Bleach in a slightly sexual way, he's 17 and therefore can consent in pretty much everywhere yet the image was still removed which is fine because yeah it was rule breaking... but then there's the sexualize images of cherubs that don't get taken down despite being naked sexualized babies only on the basis they have bird wings doodled behind their back.

When your rules are so broken a art of a party able to consent breaks the rules but adding wings to a baby isn't you know things need to be improved upon.
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prosaix Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013
Sounds like something !Gul0Gul0 aka =SadistSkunk would do... He's sick. :(
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angelishi Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
*She.
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prosaix Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013
Yeah the gul0gul0gul chick corrected me too :P
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angelishi Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Sure, but I'm actually a trustworthy person as opposed to the troll.
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Toxicotic Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013
It's actually a she? Are you the one who she claims found out her full name or something?
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angelishi Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
No idea what you're talking about, but it's a girl. :nod:
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Toxicotic Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013
She told me that someone found out her full name shortly after she got banned. And then I saw your conversation with her earlier about how she wouldn't let you blackmail her with the "information" you have on her. So I thought you were the one she was talking about.
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angelishi Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Nah. If I was, I wouldn't be outin' myself like that. :lol:
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prosaix Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013
Does it really matter? :puke:
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Toxicotic Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013
God, no. =SadistSkunk is still a total creep and I wish he/she/it would get banned again.
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Lady-KL Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
...oh God, that pedo is back?!?! D=
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SadistSkunk Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I'm not drawing any of that stuff any more. ;-) That was just a one time act. And I'm a she.
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