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A Sensitive issue: Underage Cartoon Character Nudity and Sexual-themed images on dA? Not Cool.

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T-SquaredProductions Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but I feel it's a legitimate problem. (I'm not even sure if this is the right subforum to put this topic.)

This seems to be an issue that's run a bit out of control, and some people here on dA are being a bit apathetic about it.

I've reported violations, to the dA staff, of many images of original characters and characters from various media franchises that seem to be, or are in fact underage and nude or in sexual situations.

Now, I understand these characters don't actually exist, save for within the realms of fantasy, but making a drawing about a fictional underage character who is naked is no different than REAL-LIFE CHILD PORNOGRAPHY. YOU CAN GET ARRESTED FOR THAT.

Unfortunately, some people seem to forget that their favorite character is actually under the age of 18, and make the honest mistake of drawing them nude or in sexual situations.

Sometimes there are even adult drawings of characters who look young, but are over the age of 18, according to either the artist, or the original production company, but to me, that's getting into a gray area and isn't exactly relevant.

I also understand that people do actually like to push the envelope a bit; even professional cartoon companies like to sneak a bit of subtle fanservice into their productions. (Digimon Tamers/Season III did this, and lots of shows on Cartoon Network now do the same thing. TV Tropes calls it "Getting Crap Past the Radar".) But there's a point where it becomes creepy.

Even worse, it seems a lot of people think with something else other than their minds when these kinds of images are involved, or they think "It's one out of a million, we won't get caught.", and don't report them at all. THIS IS NOT FURAFFINITY. (I'm not bashing furries or anthro artists, they're fine. FurAffinity previously had a more lax policy on adult images and the characters involved in them, but they seem to be coming around with their policies.)

Even dA has a rule about this: [link]

In short: CHECK YOUR SOURCES AND FOLLOW THE RULES. YOU COULD GET IN TROUBLE WITH THE LAW.

I know I sound like I'm a big windbag who's bashing people, but it's something I needed to get off my chest, and I hope people listen.
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TortelliniPen Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013
I think that context is a big deal. A child being nude isn't necessarily sexual; in some cultures childhood nudity is considered a sign of innocence. Of course, I know that a lot of the fanwork we're all familiar with doesn't really fall into this category. Also, would you consider something like Lolita would be considered child pornography?

I also don't think that its in the same class as real-life child pornography. As other people have pointed out, we don't arrest people for murder when they play GTA or Call of Duty. I personally think that it is sick and wrong, but should we really let our morals be such a factor in our laws? I think that there has to be a limit with regards to obscenity, but I don't that paper-and-ink children being exploited matters as much as real-life children being exploited.

Also, when it comes to fiction, what standard would we use to constitute underage? If in the fictional story the age of consent is 14 (which is not unheard of), would that character being in a sexual situation be considered CP? I'm actually curious to what everyone thinks about this, because I can't think of a concrete answer.
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SadistSkunk Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I agree that nudity is not always sexual and that not all nude images are porn.
I think it depends per individual case and that would make it pretty hard to draw the line if you were to allow photographs of nude minors.

I don't think images of adults pretending to be younger is CP. And neither do I think your description on a fictional story should be considered CP.
I personally think that, as long as no real-life children are being harmed or exploited, it doesn't truly matter and it shouldn't be illegal.
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Spudfuzz Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hard to have an opinion on something I've rarely come across. Although if it looks 8 and has a lifespan of 800,000 years, there should be no grey area. It's still sexualization of a child's body. :shrug:
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T-SquaredProductions Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, but apparently DA doesn't think so. I've reported pictures where the character has been deemed 18 years of age, but LOOKS like a child with child-like torso, limb, and facial proportions. The artist says so, and even professional production companies do this at times. But, I do see your point.

Anime/Manga while I can't stop them from what they make, seems to be one of these sources. I could probably look up an anime/manga character who has been featured officially nude in their respective series, and find it on dA without any reports since 2009. (I tried reporting one particular picture once, and I even provided the character's age from the synopsis. dA said "Need information". ABOUT WHAT? THAT'S WHAT THE OFFICIAL SYNOPSIS SAYS!!!)
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CrimeRoyale Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Professional
Welcome to DA.

It's got lots of porn and disgusting fetish art every which way. And they're more popular and get more commissions and page views in a week then you'll get in your entire time on the site.
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BootyPatrol Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So OP posted this nearly 15 minutes ago and it already has about 150 comments?
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BootyPatrol Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wait, fuck me, I mixed up the timestamps on the threads.
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rellik1138 Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You sure know a lot about child pornography.
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SlaggedPsychoGabi Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't know how long this complaint runs around these forums, but judging by the many comments on this thread, QUITE FRIGGEN OFTEN!
Though... Not to be rude, =MaskedGuardian has a point...... to me, it is like saying it's illegal to kill someone in a video game, or slaughtering someone in a drawing, but no one talks about that. No one would ever dare complain about a corpse in a picture, or a stitched human doll. Because that is acceptable to the Gothics, so.. why not right?

I mean, yeah okay, it's annoying to see, but go so far as to call it illegal? Erm, I would not say that much....
okay, there are rules about it. But do you think Deviant Art really sticks by their own rules? I only see their own action taken on forums, or when submitting a ticket. never when it comes to pictures.
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Azza9 Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
Yeah, this issue is either a ethical one or a logistical one or both.

You do know how much gigs worth of images flow through this sight right? Chances are they are unable to get them all.

It's either that or what you are purporting.

P.S. Is that fucking Teruchan still nonceing about?
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