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Noobs Tips to Oil Painting

:iconillastrat:
illastrat Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
5.) They don't plan their compositions. If you are going to do a oil painting you should know your palette and decide how to implement the principles of design. Noobs never sketch out their compositions and they just jump right in. This is wrong.

4.) They don't use references. References give your oil painting structure and takes off some of the strain of composition. Combining references is a great way to use them creatively.

3.) Dirty colors. When you paint, ALWAYS clean your brush after each pulled color. If you are going for vibrant colors this is a must. Lack of color control is one of the main noob mistakes.

2.) Using pure white for highlights and black for shadows. Pure white should never be used for highlights unless you are making an artistic point. Black should not be used either. Instead, you should mix white with a hint of chosen pigment and for shadows use deep purple or mixed blue and brown.

1.) Lack of drawing skills. Drawing is a fundamental element. IF you can't draw you should work on that because that means you will never be able to reach your full potential as an artist. Your oil painting will only be as successful as your drawing ability. Painting is the evolution of drawing. If you can draw you should learn or kiss your oil painting aspirations good bye.

And this brings me to my complaint, even though this list is concise and helpful, why are you going to scrutinize me? All that hate you have that you are manifesting, why? I am tired of noobs thinking they can be vocal and a critic when they don't even know what to do a partial contour drawing. I think people should humble down and study. But yeah, noobs will always exist but they should know their place.
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Pynasta Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2013  Hobbyist
But... I started out with total rubbish, it's gotten less and less rubbish, and now, with some good will, it's "okay".
I hope to go to school with math, natural science, that stuff, and art, and then hopefully I'll be good one day.

But the point is, If nobody let me "waste" paper and pencils on making complete rubbish, it would still be that bad, but since I was allowed to do that, and still is, I'm improving!

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Qinni Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
while you make some valid points, I can see why everyone's reacting the way they are; derogative attitudes breeds more hateful attitude. If you had a less of a high-horsed attitude about all of this and if your art appealed more to the masses or if you had a better drawing foundation, you'd probably have had a better response and more people would've actually listened rather than bash you back. So take your own advice and humble down and study...?
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Misuto-Amami-Mayu Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Maybe, if you weren't arrogant and offensive, some people would listen to these tips. The entire way you wrote this thread makes us all think that, once again, you're trolling us all and trying to annoy the heck out of us. Honestly, it's getting quite boring. I used to look forward to reading your complaints and laughing at them (You), but know they're just plain boring.
What would also help is not using the term "noob". It's rude, and no one is going to want to listen to someone call them that. All artists are "noobs" at one point--You were too. Not everyone is a beginner forever, nor does anyone deserve to be called a degrading thing such as a noob.
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Bazzyli Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Please stop using the word noob, that assumes that someone can "master" art. It doesn't matter how talented you art, artists are always learning and evolving. In ten years you may look back at work and say its shit. And someone with ten more years of experience than you could do the same and consider you a "noob".

And KNOW YOUR PLACE, a true artist would never claim to be the best and look down on others that are attempting to get better, even if they make mistakes.

That being said, your suggestions for improving upon painting skills are valid. I just wish your method of showing them wasn't so arrogant.
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Prosiax Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2013
Please deactivate :)
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:iconvelvetfish:
VelvetFish Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Student Filmographer
Hey Chauncey.

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Reality's calling. It wants you to shut up.
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leafyloo Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That song is so bad. :iconeyetwitchplz: That nearly hurt my ears!
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VelvetFish Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2013  Student Filmographer
'nearly'?
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leafyloo Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ok ok more like already made me deaf.
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VelvetFish Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2013  Student Filmographer
:lol:
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:iconleafyloo:
leafyloo Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
:nuu:
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Rage-o-rama Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
For a guy who is so willing to judge other artists for their lack of skill, your paintings are only semi-professional and overall mediocre.
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:iconillastrat:
illastrat Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
you are not even an artist. what do you know?
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Rage-o-rama Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
I just know what I see because I actually have a little sister who is a great artist and a voice teacher who can paint AMAZINGLY well in addition to taking several trips to the Torpedo Factory. I KNOW that doesn't make me an artist because clearly I'm not one by any classical standard, but not being an actively creative painter does not make me completely unknowlegable about paintings. From what I see in your work, there are many areas that are lacking in concrete detail and the backgrounds in your art are usually bland monochromes; I don't know whether or not this is an intentional signature style, but it does get pretty boring pretty quickly. Also, from what I remember about seeing your paintings, it looks like you're TYRING to be an impressionist, but it just falls flat because it seems that you cannot decide between surrealism, impressionism, or just plain reality.

I'm sorry if I sound presumptous or rude, but I want to give you a serious answer because I respect that you take your work seriously, but if you REALLY want it to be taken seriously, you should be able to handle criticism from all kinds of people. This is especially true with my mother and I whenever I practice my voice. I USED to get very annoyed with her when she'd say things that I thought could not apply to me since she has no clue how to sing, but I listen to her AND my voice teacher carefully because, even though my mother doesn't sing, she is still somewhat knowlegable on what the voice SHOULD sound like after listening to me sing and listening to other singers.
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illastrat Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Two things. You say my backgrounds are monochrome. I use monochrome backgrounds rarely.

Also, the style is expressionism. impressionism is painting with light. thats all it means. I am far from an impressionist.

But yeah, you have a right to an opinion but unless you know the techniques and thought behind certain styles of art, i am not going to take your criticism seriously. Just because you have your taste doesn't mean you know what you are talking about.
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Winxclubgirl Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You don't need to know techniques to be able to tell if art is crap or not.
I thought certain paintings and drawings were crap before I learned techniques. So I learned them, just to be sure that it wasn't supposed to look that way, and I still think its crap. :lol:
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:iconrage-o-rama:
Rage-o-rama Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
I don't know whether or not expressionism is meant to look so harsh, but your paintings look VERY harsh overall. I don't care whether or not you take my criticism seriously or go on my "amazing" profile and compare it to your drawings which will obviously be better than mine; I only draw MS paint comics for shits and giggles anyways. All I'm saying is--since you take your art seriously--that I see some visually unpleasant things in your paintings like the uneven shading; again, I don't know whether or not that is a signature style of expressionism or not :shrug:

I thought of this all by myself five days after you said this! I am so proud :slow:
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MrsChocotastic Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:iconfacepalmplz:
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:iconleafyloo:
leafyloo Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
:iconthisplz:
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:iconwizardofunseen:
WizardOfUnseen Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You still here?
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Tales-of-Haven Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013
By Talos, go away. We have better trolls now.

Also, I am considered a 'n00b' at art in general, yet do not make any of the mistakes mentioned, and neither do a lot of my fellow students. Kindly stop being desperate and go away.
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Apricots-from-Nara Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Student General Artist
Talos? Nice.
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:icontales-of-haven:
Tales-of-Haven Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013
Thank you.
I'm surprised you're the only one that noticed that.
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:iconcindertwig:
Cindertwig Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2013
Nah I noticed I am just more of a Sanguine guy.
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:icontales-of-haven:
Tales-of-Haven Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2013
Quite honestly, I prefer Molag Bal or Hermaeus Mora worshiper myself.~
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:iconcindertwig:
Cindertwig Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2013
Molag bal is so clearly evil that it becomes hillarius and Mora is a tricky bastard that I have a hard time trusting. The reason I like Sanguine? He is the only guy I have gotten drunk with in that game.
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Tales-of-Haven Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2013
That was, by far, one of the best parts of the entire game. I wish you could get drunk on your own, though. That would be the best feature ever.
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:iconcindertwig:
Cindertwig Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2013
Indeed, at least buy more of that super drink and black out only to wake up at random places.
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Apricots-from-Nara Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Student General Artist
I've been playing skyrim non-stop. Hard to miss.

I'm an argonian. What are you?
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Tales-of-Haven Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013
I've just logged 100 hours on it~

My main account is a dark elf, though my preferred race is Khajit.
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Apricots-from-Nara Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Student General Artist
I like the argonians the most. You can go any where. I spent thirty minutes following a fox that was under water. It never drowned and was practically walking.
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Tales-of-Haven Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013
xDD
Skyrim's glitches can be amazing.
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:iconapricots-from-nara:
Apricots-from-Nara Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013  Student General Artist
Some are annoying. My husband for my female nord, derkeethus, refuses to move into my house in Whiterun. Who will watch the kids when I'm out killing dragons?

I'm tempted to start over and marry Scouts-many-marshes. I didn't get too far yet. Sure, he can't be a follower and he can be killed, but at least he sticks to the house. :grump:
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LudwigvanKickass2 Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
5.) They don't plan their compositions. If you are going to do a oil painting you should know your palette and decide how to implement the principles of design. Noobs never sketch out their compositions and they just jump right in. This is wrong.

4.) They don't use references. References give your oil painting structure and takes off some of the strain of composition. Combining references is a great way to use them creatively.

3.) Dirty colors. When you paint, ALWAYS clean your brush after each pulled color. If you are going for vibrant colors this is a must. Lack of color control is one of the main noob mistakes.

2.) Using pure white for highlights and black for shadows. Pure white should never be used for highlights unless you are making an artistic point. Black should not be used either. Instead, you should mix white with a hint of chosen pigment and for shadows use deep purple or mixed blue and brown.

1.) Lack of drawing skills. Drawing is a fundamental element. IF you can't draw you should work on that because that means you will never be able to reach your full potential as an artist. Your oil painting will only be as successful as your drawing ability. Painting is the evolution of drawing. If you can draw you should learn or kiss your oil painting aspirations good bye.


5) Yeah? And? So? What? I find that planning things out ahead of time, unless I am either working in the Neoplastic or Hard edge schools, doesn't work.

4) References don't matter when you are working with the nonobjective.

3) I disagree. Guston didn't clean his brushes, nor did he care if his colors ran together making them dirty.

2) About using black and white in objective work I would suggest you look at Goya, Rembrandt, Caravaggio, Beckmann, etc.

1) Neither Rothko or Pollock could draw. Van Gogh had a very difficult time drawing beyond the sketching phase. Goya was considered a bit incompetent.
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BrandonSPilcher Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Still convinced that illastrat is not for real.

I have tried painting in the past, but the results always ended up looking sloppy and blurry. On the other hand, my mom is a great painter, although so far she mostly copies other artists in order to practice techniques rather than painting anything original for display.
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fruitscake Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013
Nice tips, makes me remember when I was still college student. The lecturer gave me information about not using black color, not using paint straight out the tube but make broken colors instead, etc. Too bad I'm not doing oil paintings anymore, I'm more into watercolor and clay.
It'll be much more helpful if you post this tips not in complaint forum though c:

By the way using 'noob' isn't very nice, maybe 'beginner' is much better suited. In game term, 'noob' often uses for insulting people >_<|| Maybe because I play online games so when I read 'noob' I feel uncomfortable xD

And sorry with my bad English
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HametsuNoCharge Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Guys, guys, come on now. There's a silver lining on every ominous troll bait post. If you shift through all the text you really might get something out of it!

I for one am GLAD that someone told me I needed to clean my brushes and learn how to draw first! How was I supposed to know that?
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AoiDimitri Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Omg, same here! If I didn't learn that right at this instance my world would've randomly combusted and blown up :nuu:
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HametsuNoCharge Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I know right?! I would have just, like DROPPED DEAD RIGHT HERE!
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AoiDimitri Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I KNOW!
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HametsuNoCharge Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
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AoiDimitri Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
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HametsuNoCharge Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
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AoiDimitri Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
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SilverFangOtaku Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
Disregard post, acquire Godzilla.
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AoiDimitri Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
lololol you're so arrogant and stupid there should be a meme or some shit about you.

Number 1 is lack of drawing skills - But you lack drawing skills. You can barely go a sentence without contradicting yourself.
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illastrat Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
right...

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Blackrosekane89 Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Professional General Artist
The difference between you and every "bad" thumbnail you post as a rebuttal is the person is not creating threads of how awesome they are.
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Xadrea Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
At least this person isn't an arrogant ass. Just posting that prices my point. If you're going to offer help, don't be passive aggressive about it, and freaking stop posting this shit in the complaints forum.
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illastrat Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
you don't know theses people
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