Sorry, but the OP has me blocked. @illastrat: Actually, art CAN be a skill. With the right amount of studying and practice, it can BECOME a talent. What you're suggesting is that artistic ability is something you're born with; that is a bogus statement. According to Jack Hamm in my book Drawing the Head and Figure, if you can write your name, you can draw.
Indeed; I would be willing to agree, but he has artwork in his gallery. I think that leaves a 55% that he's serious about what he's saying. Either way, he is not even close to anywhere NEAR as skilled as the bastard thinks he is.
Well I see your point but to be honest art is not a natural talent, it is something that requires skill that can take many years. I have seen master artist that started out with stick figures but now are advanced professionals, one artist in particular on conceptart.org started off with doodle and it took him 7 years. If you ask any master or advance artist how long it takes them to do their art they will say hours,weeks or even months if it was such a natural talent like singing then they would be able to do a masterpiece effortlessly. Perhaps that the only thing that appears to be a sign of "talent" is how quick it takes one to acquire a certain skill level. Some learn quicker than others like I have been drawing for like 2 years now and I never started with stick figures but some artist do but it doesn't matter how one starts with hard-work anyone can become a great artist.
I think it's a mix of both, you have innate talent that needs to be properly harnessed and trained to reach maximum potential. People with natural ability that isn't skilling up might also want to not bother pursuing. Polishing a turd serves no purpose (and is quite messy) but polishing a raw diamond can make it worth more or at least make it look prettier. Also a chunk of raw diamond is indistinguishable from hardened glass slagg. Well at least to the untrained eye. The term "Diamond in the rough" pretty much.
That being said a chunk of raw glass can be cut to look as pretty as a diamond too.
as an aspiring teacher, i would have to disagree. While the people with natural talent generally go further, since they are constantly being told they are great, those who are not naturally talented can be just as great as artists. to me, art is relative. What one person sees as true art can be complete garbage to another. in reality, most everything is art.
plus, creating art is something personal and fulfilling that helps people identify themselves. telling another person that they can never accomplish art is subjecting them to fracture. As for pursuing art as a career, it is damn hard. you need the right style, the right training, the right audience and even if you are amazing, you could end up being pushed aside for others you deem as 'untalented'. Art needs to be trained. If a talented person can stop growing.
telling aspiring artists to keep creating is an important thing to do as an established artist when people are consistently being told it is useless. don't tell them its going to be easy, its never going to be easy, but never tell a person to stop creating art. its essentially telling them to stop being themselves.
I know people who are the first of their family to pick up a pencil and some paper and put pictures onto paper. I can admit I am not the first, nor will i be the last. My dad used to draw, so did my mom. My great grand parents used to as well, and so on.
But.. science never proved that your ability to learn or draw IS linked genetically. Anyone can be taught everything about art, and some can pick up a pencil and do it, some cannot. I know this. But being able to draw takes patience and control. If you cannot control the medium in your hand, you cannot put it down on paper as an illustration. And also.. Some just cannot visualize things. That is why Writing is an art as well. Same as photography. Still art.
Same stupid argument whenever it comes to Musicians.
Sorry but your not born with 10,000 hours of muscle memory built into your hands and arms. You weren't born with years of theory, practice and trail and error programmed into your brain. All the music that inspired you and shape you as a musician didn't magically pop into your DNA.
people study, practice and work hard to get where they are. Nothing else to it.
It's like saying Body builders have natural talent...because we all know they came out of their mothers bench pressing 800 pounds.
illastratFeatured By OwnerJan 25, 2013Professional Traditional Artist
you simply don't get it. I am judging the ability to catch on and grow. Of course babies aren't born painting like picasso. But some people have a genetic inclination that allows them to progress faster and learn quicker.
Okay. I see where you are coming from with the genetics thing, but you have to understand that it is not the actual talent that is carried in the DNA, it's the aptitude for it. It's just like personality- You are not born with a specific personality- just a certain way that you react to stimulants that shapes it. Otherwise clones and identical twins would act, think, and feel in exactly the same ways, and they don't. Scientists today are still trying to understand this fully, what we have now is just a theory.
Have you ever read the book 'The Talent Code'? I think you would appreciate what it has to say.
Now, I'm not sure if I would call it a 'natural talent', but more of an extreme interest in a subject. Because you are so interested in a subject, you take in more and can learn faster. I wouldn't quite say that someone can be born already possessing the ability to do something others can't.
I don't really want to admit that art is a natural talent. I've seen people whose drawing has literally no talent at all but after a few years of watching them struggle, they are far better than me... and much better than you. Its just hard work and suffering to reach that level. it took my whole lifetime to reach my drawing level now, if I had talent surely I would have excelled much faster.
I have to admit to all the other comments, not all the time the skill of art is in the blood. Sometimes we start from scratch and work our way up to be at the standard we are now.
Basically if you have talent in it, use it well but that does not mean you can surpass everyone who does not have talent.
They don't use deviantart sadly, they are not the type who sits on the computer everyday like me.
However if you had a proper look around deviantart you will notice people younger than you who are far better than me or you.
I'm not going to push around and force my opinion on you because what we believe is different. After all, this is a complaint forum and you have opened yourself to insults and criticism.
Your art is good and even if I've not been around deviantart longer than you I've seen other people who worked for years to be at the standard they are now. I don't have to link you anyone, you can easily see on the main page or the daily deviation.
I believe that if I continue to debate with you I will get into trouble and this is a complaint fourm, I have no say. Thus your next reply will be my last because I have no intent of starting a fight here like you have done so with the others( I believe intentionally)