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Wow, people get but hurt over stupid things.

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Fluttertail Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
I don't expect anyone to really care and this is mainly typed out for myself as a rant. xD

So I made the account name "Fluttertail" on DA and (yes I'm fully aware there's a species named Fluttertail) and I put out a disclaimer on my home page saying I wasn't the creator.

Well wouldn't you know I watch one person and then all of a sudden I have the owner of the species in my page telling me I can't have the name Fluttertail or Fluttersaur (I got permission from them for this species like.. right before they posted on my DA).

They asked me to create a new account or change my name. I refused. Fluttertails have been around long enough for the name to have been already taken. So she tries to get me to accept a premium membership to change the name. Again I said no because I could never get it back according to DA.

The account was made for the sole purpose of watching people and housing my ADOPTED fluttertails on that I would be getting from the species owner. I didn't intend to claim her species or anything.

Well then she accuses someone else of being me, and on top of that after mucking up my page instead of noting me she wants me to stop talking to her and will most likely refuse me a fluttertail because I have this name on DA.

A) There's people out there with names like ~Flutterbutt which is a spinoff name of the species and ~flutterwing

B) Someone on neopets has the name Fluttertail and has been active since 2009 so you didn't come up with it first

C) I offered to turn Fluttertail into a warriors character instead so it wouldn't associate with your species and you get butt hurt and say thanks for causing you grief.

D) If you didn't want anyone to have the name then why didn't you make it yourself. It was still available all this time.

So you're going to deny someone communication because you're butt hurt about someone having the name fluttertail on DA.

I wasn't gonna post or use the account except watch people but since you wanna be a butt hurt about it, I think I will use my account to post and load deviations.
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MelodyMoose Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If someone named their account after one of my characters, I'd think they were my new #1 fan :iconblushplz:
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shadee Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Someone who likes fishing could've taken the name too since it was already the name of a fishing lure. :P [link]
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cyubey Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013
It's just a username.
This person needs to grow the hell up.

If something is made public, expect someone to draw the species or use the name.
If not using the exact name - a pretty damn similar one. That's just how it is.

And Fluttertail isn't exactly a hard to think of name, y'know?
Reminds me of a bird or something. They flutter and they have tails.

So even if they had no idea about the species, someone would have probably took the name.
They need to calm down. o n o
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Ruwich Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hmm. I don't see Nintendo / Pokemon accusing =pikachu of stealing their name. Same with ~dragonite or ~Squirtle. That person's stupid. Ignore her.
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Fluttertail Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013
I shall.
I've already blocked her because she was spamming my page instead of noting me and then she threatened to block me when I sent her a note instead, and I wasn't mean in mine.

She denied me an adopt of her species for the sole purpose of because I have the name Fluttertail on DA xD and for the fact that I made this board. Well I needed opinions and I never mentioned her name or linked her here, some moron (the idiot with the Treeko iocn) posted on my page and told her just to start shit.
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MenagerieCat Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Also, you can't copyright a name for something like that. You can trademark it, but that's about all you can do.
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Fluttertail Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013
That's just it though. She has neither and refuses to give me proof. So she doesn't own the species (she only created it) and she doesn't own the rights to the name either (she just calls them that).
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MenagerieCat Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Technically, the moment you make your art into any form of artistic media, it is automatically copyrighted to you. If it's a species she created, then to the best of my knowledge, yes, it is indeed copyrighted to her. She can call them whatever she wants, but she can't be throwing tantrums because someone made a username that just so happens to be the name of her species. Like I said, she can trademark her little species name, but that's about it.

Personally, 'fluttertail' makes me want to create some critter with butt wings now. I will call it... THE FLYING BOOTY.
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Fluttertail Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013
You mean like my icon?
I had to state it wasn't a Fluttertail though in order to keep her from biting my head off for 'stealing her species' even though it's just a splice.

I think I'm going to put butt wings on a pokemon too for the hell of it. xD
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MenagerieCat Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I'm gonna put booty wings on a diglett :icondragoninsane:
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Fluttertail Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013
Do it xD
I gotta see this.
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MenagerieCat Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
OH GOD, I found the best image of a Dugtrio using Slash, only it was bitch slapping the other Pokemon :'D
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MenagerieCat Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Honestly, I thought your name was a spin off of "Fluttershy" from My Little Pony.
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Fluttertail Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013
Whoo MLP :3
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IheartWaffies Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013   General Artist
"B) Someone on neopets has the name Fluttertail and has been active since 2009 so you didn't come up with it first"

"B) Someone on neopets has the name Fluttertail and has been active since 2009"

"B) Someone on neopets has the name Fluttertail"

"B) Someone on neopets"

"on neopets"

"neopets..."

What.




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TicklyRoach Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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IheartWaffies Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013   General Artist
OH GAWD NO. :stare:
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SEVMD Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I can see what you mean, I hate those >< There are so many people out there who can also think of the same damn username and wtf ._. why does that creator not use that name to begin with :no: if its so popular she should just change it before... um well before you came about...?

idk some people are just idiots who think too much of these stuff. I mean I have an OC called Orion and no one goes about and tell me that that name belong to so-and-so :stare:
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Fluttertail Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013
She's telling people she has copyrights to this "species" as well but it's only a splice, and she won't show proof of copyright either. I've asked many times for proof of ownership and nada.
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SEVMD Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Hmm... Maybe its not a company thing and she started it like those rp groups you see here?
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Fluttertail Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013
Maybe.
Either way she shouldn't be going nuts over it.
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SEVMD Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I would agree, I actually would feel a bit upset but brush it off :L
Maybe make an account for that species >_> before others :shrug:
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Elmida Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013
I didn't read this because it was done in that ridiculous sub text.
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Krazzulimaii Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well if I made a species and someone else used the name of it, I'd be flipping out too.

Sure, you can create an account for fluttertails or whatever, but at least name it something like "fluttertail_huioeawfd" or something. Taking the name of a species someone else created is a kind of jerk move. Not illegal, but jerk-like.
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Krazzulimaii Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I never said you couldn't use the name. Nor did I say that they were being reasonable about it. If they wanted the name so much, they should've taken it while they could. As well, I'm pretty sure they could've handled themselves a little better. I'm pretty sure politely asking someone to change their name, along with giving them a premium membership, would be more positively reacted to. But getting all up in their face about it is a little absurd. They could've at least named the species something clever, like huioeawfd.
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Fluttertail Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013
So you're saying I can't use the name because someone else created a species of it. Well if they were so hyped up on someone taking the name they could have made the account themselves.

They tried to bribe me to change the name after too. Fluttertail is also the name of a fishing lure as well as other characters not just the species on DA. I had offered to let the account just watch people instead of being used for fluttertails but she went all up in my face about it and even had her friend attack me too, for that reason I decided to use the account and I blocked those two for spamming up my page instead of noting me.

So I may have been a 'jerk' for taking the name but they've been jerks for bribing me, spamming my page instead of noting me, refusing me a species BECAUSE I had the name, and false advertising about a copyright that doesn't exist.

And I dislike underscores and useless shit in my names. No offense you're free to your own opinion and standing on the matter but if the name was open I'm gonna take it.
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Krazzulimaii Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I never said you couldn't use the name. Nor did I say that they were being reasonable about it. If they wanted the name so much, they should've taken it while they could. As well, I'm pretty sure they could've handled themselves a little better. I'm pretty sure politely asking someone to change their name, along with giving them a premium membership, would be more positively reacted to. But getting all up in their face about it is a little absurd. They could've at least named the species something clever, like huioeawfd.
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Patt-Ytto Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
awh come on don't hide the comments :c
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Fluttertail Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013
I hid them so no one else could post all over those particular comments on my profile that's all xD
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Patt-Ytto Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013
At least post a screenshot. :c
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Fluttertail Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013
She hasn't which leads me to think that it's just one big lie. She doesn't have a copyright to the species and she's only saying that to keep people from making their own or using the name.

I'm sick and tired of going by hear-say. Which means if I had changed my name I'd be out of a name and she still wouldn't have given me proof of copyright.

What a huge ass lier.
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Patt-Ytto Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013
say wot
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SewLolita Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013   General Artist
you can't copyright a name that is a common concept, or a generic description of something... and adding butterfly wings to stuff is about as generic as it gets :)
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Fluttertail Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
She keeps telling me she has copyrights to the species and name and yet she hasn't shown me a shred of proof as to a license or anything that shows she owns them and no one else can make them or use the name.
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SewLolita Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013   General Artist
sounds pretty consistent with 'ZOMG MIIIINE i haz copyright' trolls, with no idea of what it actually means :/ The whole 'adoptables' has its own rather twisted version of copyright, which is often not consistent with the law at all.
Bitching at you probably seems easier to her than actually supporting her argument, especially since she's on very shaky grounds.

I'm in a similar situation to what she seems to think she's in (but, as mine is a business name, rather than a 'species' I do have a lot more legal rights)...but, I don't see the point in harassing the person who happened to use it as a username on tumblr (especially as the name applies as well to what they're taking photos of, as to what I do) ... I should have thought to make an account even if I wansn't going to use it, to 'reserve' it, but if it ever gets to a point where I feel its confusing my customers and they're profiting from an affiliation with my brand, though an affiliation doesn't exist, I'd offer them something in return for their account.
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Fluttertail Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013
She hasn't shown me proof of this so called 'copyright' lisense she has for the species which leads me to believe she doesn't have one at all and was just pissed because I happened to snag the name on DA.

That species has been around for a good couple of months before I made my name so if she was afraid of someone getting it she could have just made it herself and bribing me to change the name wasn't right. Especially since it was more of a forceful (I don't want you to have my name) bribe rather then an offer of a premium membership in exchange for me dropping the name.

I had originally planned on keeping the Fluttertails I planned on adopting from her on this account which was exactly why I made it in the first place but she got herself all butthurt over it and now pretty much told me via Note that I couldn't have one anyways. xD

I'm still going to use my account as normal and if I just so happen to decide to design a character with butterfly wings for a bum I just won't call it a Fluttertail and I'll most likely stuff them on a dinosaur anyways with or without the tail. She can cry and complain all she wants about copyrights but unless she owns Dinosaurs and Butterflies, Unicorns, Ponies, and other animals there's pretty much nothing she can do about it according to people who have been posting here.

I won't be selling my characters for profit which means they're mine only so if she wants to literally fight me on it she's more then welcome to try. xD She'll just be wasting her money because she'll need a lawyer, her license, we most likely don't live in the same country or state and she'll have a hell of a hard time going after me if I don't name it a Fluttertail.

Apparently I caused her grief all because people were going to be direct linked to my page instead of hers when searching Fluttertails on Google. Too bad, I had a link re-dirrecting to her page anyways but I think I'll remove that since I don't feel like doing her any favors now.
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SewLolita Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013   General Artist
*grins* I do think you're in the right here, in this specific situation :)
I think half the problem is that a lot of people don't differentiate between copyright and trademark, and it causes headaches, since adoptables are in a bit of a grey area between copyright and TM :)

Copyright is automatic on the things it applies to- if someone makes something (ie, a specific character, or pictures of it)they do automatically own copyright on it... with adoptables, adopting it is the equivalent of buying/being given a licence to use their copyrighted thingy. But names and concepts (species being a name and concept issue) are not part of copyright law, they're covered more by trademark...trademarks are a totally different kettle of fish. If she had a registered trademark on it (which differs from just calling something trademark, which is harder to enforce, legally... especially when it's a simple descriptor of what it is), you couldn't use it...but as getting trademarks registered costs a lot, and she hasn't bought it up, I am guessing she hasn't, so you're allowed to name your account as you like- it'd be a different matter if you were making money off it or selling your own adoptables based off her species, but you're not, so it shouldn't matter. :) Internet and copyright/trademarks are a headache :D
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Fluttertail Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013
Nope, I'm not.
and putting butterfly wings on a dinosaurs bum wasn't an animal listed in her species (I checked) and unless she owns Dinosaurs too xD

Anyways, I made a dino character and called it a Raptor Moth so it would associate with any of her things and no, I don't plan on selling it. Unless she wants to 'claim' she owns dinosaurs too and that's also part of her Fluttertail species I'm going roll over laughing my ass off.

Anyways, anyone's free to put butterfly tails on Dino's bums if they want to (like Luna).

As for the trademark and copyright she has yet to show me either/or so I'm standing by and saying she has neither of them. There's tons of trademarked things out there. Ponies and the like, and no one owns those yet everyone is making one. People are going to put butterfly wings on animals and such if they want to and I'm sure some people off DA have characters with wings on their bums already. I've seen a human furry with wings on her bum so her idea isn't very original.
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CindarellaPop Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Sticking butterfly wings on an animal's ass is a trademarked thing now? Oh lordy there's so much stupid laced in this situation you could sift through it for nuggets with some water and a pan.
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Fluttertail Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
xD
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Atlantech Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
it's just a fucking username, who is it harming?
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LOVEintheSNOW Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist
Tell her to get over it. :dummy:
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TicklyRoach Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
What the fuck is a fucking fluttertail.

Jesus Christ.
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CherylBlanche Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
I wish she were kidding, because she should be.
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fantasylover103 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Ignore her/him. People like that are losers who have no life, so they spend their time annoying other people.
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GrimCW Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
Don't take them serious, and don't let them troll you.
Them claiming ownership of that is like me claiming the rights to the "Dinocons" name i've used for 15 years now.
And i'm fully aware its actually been used multiple times by a multitude of people since the mid 80's.

They've no claim over it, and frankly i've used that term and some of the others mentioned to describe my cats over the past 30 years.

Unless they have documented proof of copyright, your in the clear 100%.
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Fluttertail Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
I actually haven't seen documented proof of copyright at all other then the fact they keep saying it.

I'm pretty sure anyone can put butterfly wings on the bum of an animal, it just doesn't need to be called Fluttertail xD as long as the initial species and stuff is different in terms of how they eat, what they're like, breeding and such.

MLP is Copywriten and people are still making MLP OC's and such. Not saying I'm going to make a Fluttertail but if someone else were to and not call it a fluttertail it's basically just putting wings on an animals behind.
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wolfclaw97 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Haha, fluffbutt :D
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evilsyndicatemember Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Professional Artist
Just ignore them, lol. Pretty soon every name is going to be trademarked. :slow:
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Fluttertail Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
Lol.
Yeah.
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