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Artistic Value = Watches? No at all!

:iconillastrat:
illastrat Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
people can be very stupid. Some actually think that watches reflect skill. This is dumb. Like with me I don't have that many watches. But thats because I haven't been an active member of DA. In addition, there are people with hundreds of watches and they are utter shit (anime artists etc). A lot of people on DA have been on consistently for 8-10 years never resting from this site. When I say 8-10 I mean everyday they are on this site. I wasn't a frequent member before 6 months ago. Before, I used this site as a way to store my work. People are IG.NO.RANT!

Just because you have watches doesn't make you GOOD.
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:iconkittysophie:
kittysophie Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013   Digital Artist
i agree with you ive seen amazing artist on deviantart who deserve more watchers but i dont believe that every single anime artist is shit i find that quite ignorant to think that way
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shaynaclaw Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
i think the big issue is interests. a lot of fanart and anime works alike get way more attention than original, good works simply because the viewer wasn't interested. The popular artists are the most generic and relatable ones, and its not often a really 'out there' person is well liked, simply because less people understand them.
generic artists and unusual artists can all have the same skill, but the generic artist will have more viewers simply because more people relate to their works.

it makes it very hard for both groups, because generic artists aren't 'original' enough but are still popular, while unusual artists are novel and sometimes pleasing, but rather unpopular.

if you break the rules, are unusual and popular, you become relatable. therefore youre now a generic artist. or, if your popular and original, people may start getting bored and stop paying attention, therefore you're now an unusual artist.

you're always one or the other, or slowly switching between the two. i dont want to say it's impossible to be both, but it basically is. so you have to try to be content with whatever you did get.
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Kingofsouls Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013
HEY! I draw anime and I barely get any COMMENTS let alone watchers, just favorites! Is it too much to ask for comments as to WHY you faved, not just a "hui bye faving kthnx"?


But yea, you got a point there.
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LoVe-3N Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Student General Artist
I am watching you for your troll-tastic forum posts.
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GreenEyedYoshika Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Let's see...

GreenEyedYoshika has been here for 5 years, has 43,500 pageviews and 174 watchers. I must be doing something wrong. Oh. I draw anime/manga. Duh!
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Iriastar Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013
Not all anime artists are utter shit. :B
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gamelno Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013
Most are though.
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:iconiriastar:
Iriastar Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013
Yep.
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WizardOfUnseen Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You are back! :noes:
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SadistSkunk Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I read this as "you are black!".
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WizardOfUnseen Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
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SadistSkunk Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
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WizardOfUnseen Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
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SadistSkunk Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
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WizardOfUnseen Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
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SadistSkunk Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
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Panthera--Shadow Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Student General Artist
Watches do mean something. They give moral support to artists.
Also. "...utter crap (anime artists etc)."
Really, bro? That's exactly what you told me on my realistic painting of the panther. Everyone else who saw it said it was well done. Then, one troll comes along and calls it crap. Who am I going to listen to? Anime is an art form. You may not like it, but that doesn't make it crap. I don't particularly like abstract art, but it is art--and therefore, not crap.
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:iconcontradictingcats:
ContradictingCats Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Student Artist
That. c:
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:iconpanthera--shadow:
Panthera--Shadow Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Student General Artist
:icontruestoryplz:
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:iconpatt-ytto:
Patt-Ytto Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
Whatever sells. :D

If people are paying me good money for shitting on a plate, then i'll continue shitting on a plate.
Truthfully, manga-style artwork sells like hotcakes. Specially if you go the extra mile in indecency and do porn commisions too.

BLING! KA-CHING! SHA-POW!
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:iconillastrat:
illastrat Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
lol....so true
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Cabbion Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
I sure do hope you get some attention soon and not "people complaining right back with you" attention. Try being a bit more nicer to people, that may help.
Also anime/ manga is not all that bad, sure I know it is not your taste and that's ok but, it can be pretty well done depending on the artist(s). That goes for any art subject, right?
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JazzLizard Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Getting watches from people can mean any number of things. It can mean that you're friendly and get along well with the other users of this site. It can mean that you post non-artistic content that people take an interest in. It can also mean that you're a talented artist with a lot of fans. The most popular artists on this site have tons of pageviews, watchers and comments, and they've earned every one.

It seems to me that the only people who complain about this sort of thing are the people who care about it way too much.
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hkepoetry Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I consider watchers as fans, friends, collab buddies and/or people I want to get to know better or watch their art develop. I believe my watchers feel the same way, or at least most of them.
So I will have to disagree with you. Watchers do mean something. However, I kind of agree with you regarding people who have 5000 watchers doesn't necessarily have to be better than a person with only 10 watchers.
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redmarlin Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
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Panthera--Shadow Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Student General Artist
That is a beautiful gif.
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goombablood Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
"there are people with hundreds of watches and they are utter shit (anime artists etc)."

I wouldn't necessarily call anime artists shit. Although there are an assload of artists that only scratch the surface of the anime look (weird hair color, large eyes, the KAWAII!1!1 etc), there are actually a few amazing anime artists around here. They're just hard to find.

My biggest annoyance would probably be that fetish artists get thousands of watches not because of how good the art is, but for other obvious reasons.
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PurpleAmharicCoffee Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
Watchers determine that you have an audience for your art.
By making fanart of cartoons that will be similar/will inspire your own creative art projects, you can monitor your target audience this way. It is another form of research, so to say.
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IncandescentInsanity Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Student General Artist
I have a bazillion watchers and I am the best there ever was
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Sentinel80 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013
I agree. I am brilliant yet have no watchers. I guess people just aren't ready for my work yet.
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witwitch Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Student Writer
Huh. I've been here 5 months. I'm a writer--generally that means I will have less watchers than a visual artist, because it takes more effort to read than it does to look at a picture. But I have more watchers than you.

Interesting. Not that I think it means anything. You said you've been active on this site for six months, well, I've only been here for 5 total, and I haven't been active in all of them.

Maybe there's a point you're missing here: watches have nothing to do with art quality, and nor should they. You watch an artist because you want to see what that artist posts. I've seen some very skilled artists on here whom I did not choose to watch simply because their work wasn't to my taste. Did I think their work was bad? No, I thought it was good. I just didn't want to see more of it.

Also, sometimes I will watch people who need help with critique rather than those who are already skilled. If a person is accepting of critique and shows they have potential for improvement, I watch them.

I think there's more that goes in to people's choice to watch besides just the skill of the artist. Humans aren't robots directed by one goal and operation, you know.
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illastrat Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
i agree. But really I go on long hiatuses. If watches meant anything I would put more attention in posting. Like people will tell you. I pop up for a week and troll then i leave. This site isn't my life.
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witwitch Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Student Writer
Watches do mean something. They mean someone out there is interested in seeing your work, for some reason or another. That reason can be anything.
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:iconillastrat:
illastrat Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
thats the thing...this is a community. Like with any community the popular ones are using generic and uncreative. Like Nicki Minaj is popular and a lot of people like her but it is no a reflection of artistic value. Maybe image, or genre, or whatever but you can check out my art. It is not necessarily the type of stuff people will watch. Thats why this site is a joke in the artistic community.
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witwitch Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Student Writer
You've got a wrong comparison there. See, Nicki Minaj's fans do not, for the most part, interact with her. On DA, you actually talk to people, give comments, critiques, let people know you like their stuff by faving their work. And people can see just exactly how many others are communicating with them.

Like you said, it's a community.

Your example with Nicki Minaj doesn't fit at all because her fans do not interact with her, and they are not fellow artists, and there is no back and forth of comments or critique going on.

Your art interests me probably around as much as my writing interests you.
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ContradictingCats Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Student Artist
Yes yes yes! However as illistrat said below, Twitter and such, but fans don't really interact that way.

I do know an actor, Tom Hiddleston, interacts with fans as much as possible on his Twitter feed, however that's one out of thousands of celebrities.

It's similar with DA for the "celebrities" of DA. Except the "celebrities" of DA are a majority like Tom Hiddleston than your reference.

:D
Good job with proving your point however. illistrat was arguing with me over in a Thumbshare thread (One to show best work, might watch + fav)) and you'll notice it seems he loses arguments quickly then tries to stay on one point, ignoring all response against it.
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:iconwitwitch:
witwitch Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Student Writer
Yeah. He's quite deluded.
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:iconcontradictingcats:
ContradictingCats Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Student Artist
Indeed. XD
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illastrat Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
oh....like nicki minaj isn't on twitter, instagram, facebook, soundcloud etc. Half of the GREAT artists that people watch don't interact with their audience at all here. There was a thread about that once. It is a perfect comparison. Most of DA are children that have no taste in FINE art whatsoever and more into hentai fetish porn. And yes like with any community the most popular are usually not the most skilled. Its the people that pander.
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witwitch Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Student Writer
Why do you care so much about how many watchers people have?

People watch for different reasons. If you're not getting what you want out of your watchers, you should ask yourself why that is. Maybe what you want is unrealistic.
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illastrat Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
i never said i cared about watches. Based on something some one else said i made a thread to respond to it. Read the title. I am saying that it doesn't equal artistic value. If anything this is a protest against lackluster art that gets watched.
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iroNoNiji Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
There is artistic value in watches., or would be excellent examples for this. :lmao:
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:iconredmarlin:
redmarlin Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
That's beautiful, but... that looks uncomfortable as fuck to wear.
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MasterPlanner Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
:+favlove:
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Philliewig Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I seriously want to buy these for my girlfriend.
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:iconwitwitch:
witwitch Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Student Writer
Those are gorgeous.
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Benjamin-Biddix Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
:iconlike-plz:
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:iconkiomaru1:
kiomaru1 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Student Artist
well poeple like to see beautifull stuff. soo if poeple don t watch your art maybe it means there is something wrong about it
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:iconillastrat:
illastrat Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
simple as that huh?
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:iconkiomaru1:
kiomaru1 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Student Artist
yep , well at least in most cases =x
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