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January 1, 2013
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Sensitive Artists will Never Improve

:iconillastrat:
illastrat Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
I've been doing art for 15 years and I can say along the way i have gotten to the point where negative critiques do not phase me. You can call me shit, or bad and I know unless such statements are coming from someone credible that you are just envious because I am the better artist. Even in Art school, I never received negative criticism because I displayed proficiency as an artists. But more than that, when I did receive the few negative criticism that I did my confidence allowed for me to shake it off.

I found that what really helped me become great was that when i was developing I could shake off the negative response that people would at times give me. This lead me to have confidence in my art. If you are sensitive you will never make it as an artist. Grow a backbone. I hate, and i mean I HATE scary people.

I know a lot of you guys criticize my art because you hide behind a computer. But really I can not even keep a straight face when you do so. It is hilarious. Most of you guys reach for every little thing you can. In real life, I most never get negative criticism. At worst people say my subject matter is "out there." When I do receive negative criticism it doesn't phase me because i have the backbone to keep pressing. Be confident in you skill of give up.

Nuff said.

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:iconjordan71495:
Jordan71495 Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Sometimes it is hard not to be sensitive about your own work. If you put so much time into something and someone sees the flaws that already make me insecure, I feel uneasy about my own skill as an artist. I do accept criticism, but an artist had to know when the advice/comments a valid. Right now, It feels like you are complaining about yourself. People are offering you valid advice and you are acting like the are personally attacking you, when they are trying to help you improve. Stop making excuses for yourself. Art is subjective, so critique will reflect personal taste. You don't have to use the advice you are given, but to always ignore it is unwise.
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nonecansee Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist
THIS

There is a HUGE difference between simply ignoring negative criticism and actually taking criticism to improve yourself.

I wonder if the OP of this thread has actually taken in REAL criticism (whether it comes off as negative or is sugar-coated). :|
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Jordan71495 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yeah, I doubt it. He is always like this on forums anyways.
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:iconnonecansee:
nonecansee Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist
Ugh. Yes.
I've seen a couple of his other complaints thread.

I wonder if the trolls who attempt to subdue him are actually giving him attention is enough to keep him making posts.

I mean, I've seen posts with sad ends. They're legit questions or troll-worthy BUT no one or maybe only 2 or 3 have posted on them so they just get locked after a month and die. But this, haha I think what we're doing here is feeding the flame :P

I'll add this as well: I think this guy doesn't filter out publicity into good or bad. As long as he gets attention, he's happy and will proceed to do as he wishes.
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Jordan71495 Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm not going to judge him for wanting more attention, but his tactics aren't the right way to go about this. If we were to ignore his posts he would probably stop after a few more confrontational posts.
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TheLiarWolfram Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Student Filmographer
Oh, this guy's a troll. He basically posts just so people will go to his page and see his shitty artwork.
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:iconnonecansee:
nonecansee Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013  Hobbyist
:noes: I fed him attention!
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LoVe-3N Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Student General Artist


Art-whoring time!!
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:iconcontradictingcats:
ContradictingCats Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Student Artist
Dang. This still up? o:

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TicklyRoach Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wait wat
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:iconfruitscake:
fruitscake Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013
Constructive criticism is good thing. Other people can view differently, and it can be references for improving.
And your art is good - bold brush strokes and colors for your expressionism style. Keep up the good work.

You're art student and professional artist, I assume you understand about art history, art world and art market itself. You can't make all people to accidentally like and appreciate yours - it happens at dA too. For example, even though I know your art genre, it's just not my area so I only look it with 'ok'. Everyone has their own preferences.

I have read your other forum thread, maybe the way you talking was wrong so people flame you. You should ask the one who understand fine art to get constructive criticism here, instead of shoving people with 'this is supposed to be art'. I bet if you put something like Duchamp's famous work here - people at this forum will flame you more. Maybe the one you want to point out is 'fine art' not 'art in general' (refer to your last forum thread). Cave paintings, street paintings, dances, craft, architectures, children drawings, etc are art. It's part of culture, how we communicate and express ourselves. I thought you learnt this at art institute. (:

The thing you have to remember in internet, (like you said above: hide behind computer) people don't know how your expression or emotion behind the computer. Writings can make wrong assumptions, so be careful before you posting (:


Sorry with my bad English
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:iconxadrea:
Xadrea Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
This guy really isn't worth reasoning with. If you question his work, he'll lower the amount of years he's actually been making art (sometimes he says 5 years, when it's more convenient he makes it 10+) He's convinced that everyone, everyone doesn't know what they're talking about, and what's worse is that he actually doesn't consider anything outside of painting to be real legit art (he even stated once that Photography couldn't be a fine art)

He's a typical idealistic art school drop out. High on his horse, and bourgeois.:no:
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:iconfruitscake:
fruitscake Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013
I hope he only couldn't express well what he mean, *dayum my positive thinking side* (:

Photography could be part of fine art. I learnt 'seni cetak digital' when I was in college - I don't know what should it be called in English (maybe digital printing art?) we made art works with digital media - it included photography, videos, animation, photo manipulating, etc.
Or maybe he should start with Gerhard Richter if he stated photography couldn't be fine art.
Fine art is very wide subject. Even when we put things like dirt, newspapers, bones, etc. and we have strong concept behind it - it could become art.


*and I feel like college student again - talking with my lecturers about concepts and stuffs lol*
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Xadrea Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
He's just got too much ego for his own good :no:
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UltimaMage578 Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013
The irony of this thread is absolutely delicious with spilled tea.
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:iconensoul:
ensoul Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Professional General Artist
Fuck, this is still going? Have another
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Blackrosekane89 Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Professional General Artist
My newest one
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:iconizzynic:
IzzyNic Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Just going to jump on the wagon here. Although, I have no idea if I'm commenting in the correct place or not. :P
I am not anywhere close to being a professional artist, as anyone can tell by taking a quick glance a my gallery. (If anyone was wondering, I've been drawing ever since I could pick up a pencil. But I barely developed a style that isn't stick figures. Barely being rougly last year or so.)
And not being popular at all, hardly anyone comments on my work. And when there are commenters, there are never any critiques. Ever.
I would kill for a critique, a well thought out one. Whether it's negative or positive, I wouldn't care, as long as it helps me improve.
So I must say, you're a lucky guy for getting opinions, whether you like them or not.
Take other's opinions into consideration, it'll help.
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:iconk-koji:
K-Koji Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013
Want me to give you a critique? :o

or help or something?
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:iconizzynic:
IzzyNic Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh my, I don't know.
Coming from such an amazing artist as yourself, my mediocre- at best- art isn't even worth your time, if you ask me.
Besides, I-

I mean, if you want to, I won't stop you.
By all means, do so.
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:iconk-koji:
K-Koji Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013
I sent you a Note :]
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:iconizzynic:
IzzyNic Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I received it, thank you. c:
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K-Koji Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013
no prob :XD:. :hug:
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Panthera--Shadow Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Student General Artist
People call my art crap without giving my constructive criticism, and I ignore them because they're trolls. I would love. LOVE. LOVE. to have some more criticism, I just need some serious criticism, not the crap you gave me.
"utter crap" isn't helpful at all. You need to take your own advice, man.
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Sentinel80 Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
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:iconcrimsonmagpie:
CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Bitchin', you should give the Tate a call. 
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Candy-Ice Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
As an art student myself, I highly, HIGHLY doubt you have gone through all four years (or more) of college without getting at least ONE negative comment on your art. Even the "artistic prodigies" get told something looks bad at one point. Considering how you linked your own art at the end, though, I'm guessing you're just seeking attention because oh look guiz I can art better den u
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:iconmerrak:
merrak Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Hobbyist
>> In real life, I most never get negative criticism.

You should expand your audience, then. If you jump, and can't reach the ceiling, then there's room to go higher. Unless you're talking about trolling type comments (which I'm pretty sure you are) - in that case, people in real life tend to have much more tact.
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endler Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
After reading through the comments I have quickly come to the conclusion that this really does look like a forum that's more or less made to attack any other person who draws on here and proclaim that your's is better by shoving your art into their face and more or less saying that most coming at you has extremely shitty work, not actually saying you're the best, but all the while still showing off great arrogance by going far beyond the confidence that still is good for most artists to receive. So basically this is just an attack/show off my skillz show.

Either that or...well, I would call :icontrollinthedungeonplz: considering others have been saying that you've made more forums before, but taking in the blocking of people who aren't really doing that much harm other than calling you out on what you're doing...I will admit that you have me quite beat. :iconlikeasirplz:
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:iconprairielily:
PrairieLily Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I hope you don't talk like you type. Otherwise, your ass would be on the floor constantly from never taking a breath to start new sentences.

Learn some grammar variation, bro. Also, what's with the tiny font? You're not cute for doing it, it just makes you look like a mouse that can be stomped.
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:iconendler:
endler Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I apologize if my typing caused any distress; same for the fact that I use smaller front.
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:iconprairielily:
PrairieLily Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
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:iconendler:
endler Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
:icontakemymoneyplz: ?
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:iconshadowmaker-241:
ShadowMaker-241 Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Ironic no?
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Pokey-Bunny Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
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Blackrosekane89 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Professional General Artist
You're one of the most sensitive artists I've ever seen. It takes an extremely thin skin to block people when you don't like what they say.
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illastrat Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
i think i am gonna block you again. quite or be ignored
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:iconphilliewig:
Philliewig Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Someone sounds butthurt.
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Malintra-Shadowmoon Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You seem to have been very angry when you wrote this. And I know that most people usually say that you should have a thick skin or a grown backbone like you call it. Of course, there are also always people being envious about your doings because they do not manage things on their own. But not all people are envious about your art or doings. I do not know you - only from reading this and I am sure that I do not envy you. You are a professional traditional artist - I admire you because I am very bad in traditional arts. I cannot do them very well or even not at all. There is no problem to admit this. But I look up to everybody who can :)

I am no scary person, I am a honest person and I like to speak my mind. Probably it is spoken quite softly, not in a ranting style. Well, I admit being an artist who is very sensitive and sensible. May be you would consider me as one of the worst artists ever because of those characteristics. This kind of backbone - I do not have it. Negative criticism hurts me when unjustified but I accept it as a help when it is constructive. When I am angry or too sensitive I try to compensate it with meditation - I never needed that backbone to survive. The meditation is accompanied by belief (faith) and hope - that keeps me alive and kicking and dragging on ;)

By the way: I like your art :)
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:iconillastrat:
illastrat Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
i was very....very...very agree at this site when i wrote this.
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:iconphilliewig:
Philliewig Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
So you agreed with this community's impression of you?
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Sonrie-mucho Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Negative criticism is when someone says that something sucks without suggesting a solution. Constructive criticism, on the other hand, can be very useful to the artist.

Sensitivity can help an artist grow because it gives them the awareness to further refine their work. There is a balance between sensitivity and confidence.
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0s1 Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013
What's the difference between a freehand sketch and a not freehand sketch?
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:iconillastrat:
illastrat Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
no grid, projector or tracing paper
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0s1 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013
If you're using a projector or tracing paper, you're not sketching, you're just tracing. I'm not sure how freehand sketching is particularly impressive.
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illastrat Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
believe it or not a lot of photorealist do that
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0s1 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013
That kind of just makes them cheaters then, right?
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:iconreptonic:
Reptonic Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013
Actually, there is no cheating in this very subjective world known as ART. :nod:
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:iconillastrat:
illastrat Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
thats how i see them. more people do it that is publicised
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DJ0Hybrid Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
You can call me shit, or bad and I know unless such statements are coming from someone credible that you are just envious because I am the better artist.

Don't need to be a baker to know the difference between bread and crap.
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