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Misinformation that surrounds schooling horrifies me

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divine--apathia Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I know that the education system isn't perfect, that's one of the reasons why I want to become an educator... but there are so many people that are misinformed/ignorant to education.

I'm sick of hearing:

- Early education is 'babysitting'.
- All homework is useless.
- 'If you can't do, teach!'
- 'You're smart! why lower yourself to... that'


The last two really annoy me. We need intelligent teachers and most importantly, we need passionate teachers. It's not something to do if you can't do something else. It's not something you do for the money. If you don't like children and if you don't like teaching, I can guarantee you're not going to be good.

I can't even bother to write up all the shit I hear. If you want to hear some really fucked up opinions on schooling, just take gander at the politics forum. :iconfacepalmplz:
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TeenyTinyTentacles Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013   General Artist
Some places can't hire intelligent teachers because the shitty teachers are protected by their Union and thus cannot be fired so that intelligent, good, passionate teachers can take their place.
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WalkingRen Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013
Link plz
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siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013
Screw what people think. Teaching is about the pupils, not the people surrounding the teacher.
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:icondivine--apathia:
divine--apathia Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Actually, teaching involves students, parents and the wider community.
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siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013
only if you are a school teacher
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:icondivine--apathia:
divine--apathia Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Nope. All parts should be part of a successful education system. School isn't about just academics. It's about learning to be part of society.
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siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013
teaching is not about education system. there are numerous private classes, courses and also internet teaching internationally. education is a part of life, it exists in every living-to-living interaction. man you should get rid of your objectivity habit if you want to be a good teacher :D
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:icondivine--apathia:
divine--apathia Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
If you look through this thread, you'll see I've already mentioned those ;)

The education system isn't in everyday living.

Internet teaching, private classes etc should all be done together in a group, and they should involve the wider community. Even with home schooling, private classes etc. My friend was homeschooled and once a month she meet with a group of other homeschooled children. and once a month they had an excursion, which is the involvement of the wider community.

This isn't me not being objective. This is me looking at what research and studying says.
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siegeonthorstadt Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013
i didnt say objective, i said objection habit. i forgot which thread this was in.

and i also was not talking about the education system, but the education in general. if you want to talk about the system its ok.

its true that every student that goes trough education should be involved in the system in one way or another, even if it simply means getting together with the peers. a system should encourage information and emotional exchange between peers, not force them into externalization (ie bullying in usa) or competition (the idealist monotype in china). people learn from each other as much as from a teacher-student situation. i know this contradicts with what i said earlier but earlier i was trying to define universal education. in a system these things are a must.
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Solum-Ipsum Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh, hi! I'm Disappointing Reality. Allow me to introduce you my good friend, the Sad Truth: [link]
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:icondivine--apathia:
divine--apathia Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Oh, hi! I'm not an American. Allow me to introduce yourself to the mythical world that exists outside of America!


Furthermore, he's wrong. Some of the countries with the best education systems are capitalistic, for example Finland.

Also, if they really wanted to make sure that people were dumb, they'd remove homeschooling / distance education.But they don't.


If anything, it's the common people who don't want anything to change. If enough people spoke out about the education system it'd have to change. But no one gives a fuck, so they don't.
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Solum-Ipsum Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
"Allow me to introduce yourself to the mythical world that exists outside of America!"

:iconyoudontsayplz: Nem mondod?

"Furthermore, he's wrong. Some of the countries with the best education systems are capitalistic, for example Finland."

You're mistaking capitalism with the NWO's globalist plutocracy. (He was talking about that.)

Anyway, I seem to have a lack of information here: What makes an education system "good"? What are the traits we should aim for, when planning out such a system?

"If anything, it's the common people who don't want anything to change."

Welcome to democracy, where the torrent of shit tells you the one direction we're all going (pun intended).
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spyrotdragonlover Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013
I think its a vicious cycle, too many shitty teachers leave a shitty impression of teaching on the next generation which leads to more shitty teachers because hey 'good money and holidays!' and so on.
With some of my teachers from high school I always wondered why they bothered to be a teacher when they clearly couldn't handle it, pretty much the entire school made it a game to make her cry in lessons, which always happens and she's still working now as far as I'm aware which really baffles me.
I've had too many teachers that couldn't do their job properly, very few seemed to actually care about their job and want to teach.
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divine--apathia Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
That's an excuse. I had some poor experiences at school. Instead of just sitting around whining about it, I'm trying to actually change schooling.
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spyrotdragonlover Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013
Well its what it looks like to me,or at least what it seems like from people I'm around and talk to adult and student.
As for whining, I didn't mean to appear as if I was whining, I was just trying to say I rarely had teachers that seemed to care about their job like you do, or appeared to have got in through the 'back door' for one of a better word.
At least you care, maybe the kids you teach in the future won't be douchy teens.
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Doomsday-Device Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Personally, I believe than parents need to make an effort to introduce higher-level learning to very young children. Even before they get into formal schooling. And then, the schools need to present those same higher expectations of the students. The sad fact is that it's been known for quite some time that kids minds are at their most teachable state during their first 5 years of development, and yet most parents are content to prop up their babies in front of brightly colored plastic or let their toddlers stare at TV shows with mentally deficient protagonists until they're old enough to become the ward of the state educational system.

If I ever have a kid, I'm going to make damn sure that they will be able to read and do basic math by the time the state expects me to turn them over to the sick joke that is known as the "Education system".
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:icondivine--apathia:
divine--apathia Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
I'm specializing in 0-12 years, especially from 0-5, so you're preaching to the choir :lol:

I know it'd probably never happen,but I'd love to create a program for parents that could be use instead pf or in conjunction with enrolling their child in early education.

It'd consist of a book with an short overview of different areas of development, important skills, and play based learning. Along side that, I'd have a book that was full of inspiration, ideas, etc.
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0s1 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
I feel like most of the teachers I've had have been smart, but most of them just aren't that passionate.

Or incredibly misled.
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coolcat10189 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
Referring to this I see. [link] :D

I agree, what most people don't realize, especially those in school still, that homework and quizzes and test do not only test you on trivial knowledge, but how you teach yourself to remember things when most needed and whether or not you can solve the issue regardless of its complexity. That is the important skill that will last a lifetime. People who do not learn to adjust quickly to their environment will be left behind, thus college. And they will decrease their possibility of finding a well paying job.

And when I hear another person moan about college and demean it, I don't know if I should laugh or cry. Or laugh harder. :laughing:
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OmicronWanderer Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Student Digital Artist
'If you can't do, teach!'

Oh how I dislike this phrase so much. I've had bad teachers(although part of that was probably my fault) good teachers and teachers that I was pretty much in awe of both their accomplishments and life outlook.

Teachers put so much work into teaching. they put their salaries as well a their lives into helping their students grow and become better, more well-rounded individuals.

Its sad that people don't appreciate them and the work that they do.
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ArtisticAxis Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
You know what's babysitting?
Fucking middle to high school.
My god, that was the worst.
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Kinrift Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
I couldn't teach. Teaching looks like a damn hard job.
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JeweledScarab Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
The place I live in really seems to try and appreciate teachers...and yet refuses to pay them decently.

I will never understand my states logic...
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cake-fiend Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm tired of hearing that college is a waste of time because you don't learn anything.
If someone doesn't learn anything in college then they are doing something wrong. They are taking the wrong courses or just don't give a shit about learning anything in the first place and shouldn't even be there.
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The-UglyTruth Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
- 'If you can't do, teach!'

Man, that has always pissed me off. Teaching is a skill, and its a rare one at that. A great teacher is more important than 1000 lawyers, acountants, or most anything else. They have the power to define how our next generations contribute to society...

Ranty rant rant rant. Rant.
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Abrigedfoamy Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
they actualy did a study on homework and they so no correlation between homework and good grades
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divine--apathia Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Homework isn't about getting good grades. it's about preparing children for the real world. I have to do at the very least 5 readings a week, in preparation of my university classes. Then, I have preparation activities, extension readings, and I really should look at some of the articles mentioned in those readings.

That's all work I have to do outside of class before homework.


Even if you don't prepare to go to college, a lot of jobs require you to prepare and revise at home.

Imagine if a person went from doing absolutely nothing outside of school, to all that?


Recipe for disaster!
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Abrigedfoamy Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
never before have i had a job were they make you take the work home and work on it there i can understand some jobs might be like that if your slow but no i can't picture comming home ffrom say mcdonalds with a couple big macs that you have to assemble and then bring back to work
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divine--apathia Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Really? you're trying to use a little fucking retail job as an example. Protip: If you only ever work as an entry level job at mcdonalds, you're not succeeding at life.

Most professions at the very least expect you to educate yourself. Read journals, attend seminars , etc. Other jobs require you to prepare and self reflect upon your practice to see how you can improve yourself. As a teacher I'm expected to plan my classes, self reflect, revise my plans, grade work and self educate myself.
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Abrigedfoamy Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
i didn't say i worked at mcdonalds i was just using it as an example and i did say for some jobs i could understand that sometimes you might need to take things home to work on but for most jobs they don't expect to take the assembly belt home and put together 50 hello kitty alarm clocks and then bring them back the next day
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divine--apathia Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Once again, that's a low level job. School isn't preparing you for low level jobs. School is preparing you for the best chance in life.

If school was preparing you for work in a factory or to make burgers, school would end when you're about twelve.
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WalkingRen Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013
If it was preparing you to work in factories, then you wouldn't even go to school you'd just go to work... Ah Europe, Asia, NA, SA, Australia... All the continents except Antartica :iconlegaspplz:
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neurotype Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Probably because the people who do their homework are the ones who care enough to be prepared for tests/projects anyway.
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Abrigedfoamy Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
the way the school works in my town they don't even count homework half the time when it comes to grades it's just about passing the test
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neurotype Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
The homework is to help you understand the material.
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Abrigedfoamy Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
well then the teachers i had did it wrong because all the homework they gave us was on completley unrelated material
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neurotype Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It can be supplementary, or they could be less than great teachers. :shrug:
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little-wild-one Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
I got good grades anyway, but I get the feeling that if I'd done my homework once in a while, I wouldn't have such a tragic inability to meet deadlines. :saddummy:
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Abrigedfoamy Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
at least you showed up everyday unlike some students iknow who would take three weeks off for no reason other then to avoid school
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little-wild-one Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
Yeah. Of course I did. :paranoid:
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WalkingRen Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013
:stare: Where were you on the night of the 17th
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divine--apathia Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Finally, someone understands the purpose of homework!
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little-wild-one Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
It's too late now! :stare:
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little-wild-one Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
'If you can't do, teach!'
:confused: How does that even make sense. I can't drive a car. Shall I start teaching people to drive cars? Maybe if I keep one lesson ahead of them I'll get away with it.
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divine--apathia Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
No, it means that if you're qualified to do something, let' say, you hold a degree in drama/art/science, but you just passed and you can't keep a job down, you should go back and get an education degree.
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little-wild-one Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
Oh, right. That makes more sense.
I'm pretty damn sure that's what my drama teacher must have done. She seemed like a bitter, out of work actress with no real desire to teach. :lmao: When we had to perform at the end of the year, I stole the wine meant for the parents to boost my confidence. :shifty: That's how good she was at teaching kids to speak in front of people.
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divine--apathia Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
My drama teacher was amazing. He's like 26, with his masters. He still acted, and he went from just being the drama teacher to being the head of the drama department in like 2 years.

I had him for both English and Drama, he was a great English teacher, but an excellent drama teacher. He made me feel comfortable on stage... and that's massive :lol:
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Xcetera Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Professional Photographer
I'm pretty much set on the idea of homeschooling my children.
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divine--apathia Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Homeschooling is rather iffy. It can be good, but it's not the be-all and end-all. It relies a lot upon the parent.

It's most successful when the parents are very well educated. IIRC, the last study I read said that for homeschooling to excel, the parent needs to be highly educated. The children who got the most out of homeschooling were children whose parents hold college degrees, masters etc.

Teaching is a lot more than giving children information.



However, in my country at least, there are programs that are like homeschooling, but a little bit more guided. It's called 'distance education', but you don't have to be remote to use it, here at least.
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AvisCelox Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
There are also virtual schools in some places that let you take classes and have a teacher without leaving your home. For the most part they seem to work pretty well, but like always every person is different.
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