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...but you just don't understand!

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ForeverTeaTime Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I need to do a bit of complaining, because I am getting quite irritated here. (Big surprise huh? Since that's what this forum's for!)


The thing is I am working on a schoolproject about my favorite band/artist and my guiding teacher has accidentally sent me down a snakepit.
My teacher has repeatedly requested me to look into the connection between this band/artist and the gothic subculture: How vital the existence of the subculture was to help this band's/artist's rise to fame, and how this band/artist has influence the subculture from there on.
I thought these were some sensible questions to answer so I started researching it today on the Internet, BUT: The vast majority of websites I am running into are hating and pissing on this artist/band for not being goth (which is alright, they may have that opinion), but especially for being fake and just a lame commercial 'shock rock' act that has nothing to do with goth.

And the latter is what angers me, because I believe most of these people have come to this conclusion because they have never really looked into this band/artist. Because they don't understand what it is(was mostly) about.
Because it becomes obvious very soon when you do look into it that the things that this band/artist has created, especially around the peak of their/his carreer, are very complex. They are filled with comments, critiques and ideas that are in my opinion very intelligent and good. And they often represent the same values as the group of people who are so hating on this band/artist for having nothing to do with goth, would mention as core values of the scene.

<bold>And I am just so fed up with people hating on things based on nothing but their own (wrongful and possibly stupid) assumptions! </bold>
If you want to hate on something because it's just not your thing, fine.
If you want to hate on something because you disagree with it, fine.
But for real, hating on something that you don't understand and assuming it to be something that you must hate is just... ARGH!


There.
Now why don't you all go ahead and make some nice and supportive comments that will make me feel less fed up with humanity? :D
(Don't worry, I know that's not to be expected in this part of the forum.)

Bonus complaint:
I am fed up with the fact that law enforcement doesn't seem to care about people lighting fireworks all throughout the week, while it's against the law to light them on other days than the 31st of December/1st of January.
It's scaring the living daylights out of my cat (and pretty much every other pet anybody has) and lighting fireworks is dangerous in general (although most people are willing to kindly ignore that for New Year's Eve anyway).
And damn it, it's against the law and the police should do their jobs and make people stick to that! >.<'
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auschtitz Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013
is the band my chemical romance
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ForeverTeaTime Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Answered this one at least twice already, but well:
No, it was not MCR. They got one song I like and aside from that the sound of their music, sort of, annoys me? And I am not even trying to be nasty, it just feels as the best way to describe it for me.
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auschtitz Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013
then its gotta be evanescence
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ForeverTeaTime Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
The answer to that was actually on this page, if you have your comments said to 25 per page... :/

"*ForeverTeaTime 2 days ago Hobbyist General Artist
Out of the 50+ bands/artists I currently have in my playlist, there are only there are only 4 that (occasionally) have a lady doing vocals, and Evanescence isn't one of them.
So no, I wasn't talking about Evanescence."
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auschtitz Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013
no its evanescence i can feel it
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ForeverTeaTime Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
If it makes you happy to believe that, then by all means go ahead.
Originally the idea of leaving the name out was that it didn't, or rather shouldn't, matter for the point I was trying to make. :shrug:
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81984 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013
:iconangelishi: go spam her page
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ForeverTeaTime Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I do hope you know spamming isn't allowed on deviantART.
You can have your account temporarily disabled or even banned for doing so.
I also hope that you do understand that what you now suggest would indeed happen, your name is gonna be in the report just as well.
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WalkingRen Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013
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WalkingRen Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013
Damn deviantart, its just a b inside the <>
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:iconwalkingren:
WalkingRen Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013
is what you need
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WalkingRen Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013
Learn how to be bold good sir
It's just for bold, not <bold> :squee:</bold>
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ForeverTeaTime Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
It's not a matter of learning, it's a matter of remembering.
And that is the difficult part, since it is illogical to me that putting text like that is called 'bold', but the code isn't.
Always had a problem remembering things that weren't logical to me, that's how I managed to not perform so well on French tests even though I studied hours for them. :shrug:

But well, I've been telling this to about 5 people already.
Also: I'm not sure why after this already hardly useful comment, you had to make two more with even fewer content. :(
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WalkingRen Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013
How is b for B <-- old Illogical...
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ForeverTeaTime Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
The one actually kind of makes sense, but after I found out I had used the wrong one again, I kept on thinking that the only one I had read of before was (which is far less logical) and was surprised that people kept on mentioning as a possibility also.
But with all these comments that have been showing up in my inbox, it must surely be harder to forget anyway from now on. :P
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WalkingRen Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013
:nod:
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MaryYana Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013   Traditional Artist
The term shock is used a bit too loosely. A lot of people, on either side (whether they like shock acts or dislike them), seem to have a difficulty seeing the difference between something that is just shocking and something that also has a message.

It leads to a few annoying things. One of them is what you mentioned: some people end up lowering shockers with a message to "just a shock rocker". Another is people who use shock to get seen and their fans praising them for doing so, even though their message value is equal to that of your average sex and party song.
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ForeverTeaTime Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, and it might be difficult to establish which is which when you don't know them that well and so you might come to the wrong conclusion about a band/artist.
And that's okay, as making mistakes is something everybody does, but people shouldn't get lost in their conclusions when they indeed don't know them that well (and therefore have a decent chance to be mistaken).

I'd llama you again if I could, for posting a response with some content (that on top of that isn't based on misunderstandings either :D)
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CrimeRoyale Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Professional
If the project is annoying you, do something easy and get it over with.
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ForeverTeaTime Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
The project isn't, people are. Could you make them go away? :(
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maltese101 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Student General Artist
There's always gonna be a person like that.

And there's just so much you can do about it.

Awww, but I like fireworks. :dummy:
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ForeverTeaTime Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You can always make an angry thread to let your frustrations out in a fairly harmless way. :P
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staple-salad Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
I saw Marilyn Manson in concert once (it was at Mayhem Fest a couple years ago). He put on a good show but was kinda drunk and most of the pit left before he got on stage (he followed Slayer). Put on a good show though.

I enjoy his music. But I would say he suffers from a lot of what of pioneers do: he pushes the envelope, but then doesn't go with the genre as a whole and kind of clings to the first schtick making him a parody of himself. Teenagers often don't help either... (well some, you don't sound like the type that makes certain genres embarrassing to admit liking).
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ForeverTeaTime Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I believe he did a double-headline tour with Slayer a few years back indeed. It's nice to hear you enjoyed the show. :D

And I don't know about the music genre stuff. I'm not really that great with genres (and so the 'goth' thing was more regarding ideals and looks rather than music).
Also I like the music a lot, but what does it for me is the lyrics, the concepts and the man. For me to like a band/artist the sound of their music does matter, but what always draws me in on the long run are the lyrics and the extras. :P
Finally I do suppose, in other ways (than necessarily musically), I do agree with the parody of himself thing.

(By the bye, thank you for saying that last thing. Didn't expect any kind words from anybody replying to this thread after it kind of ran into a whole different direction than I had hoped.)
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Ninjaslug Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
are you talking about the shitty music shitstain that is evanescence?

P.s. to use bold use < b > without spaces.
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MaryYana Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013   Traditional Artist
But evanescence did one nice album and another that was kinda good! :shakefist:
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ForeverTeaTime Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Out of the 50+ bands/artists I currently have in my playlist, there are only there are only 4 that (occasionally) have a lady doing vocals, and Evanescence isn't one of them.
So no, I wasn't talking about Evanescence.

And, yes, so I've been told. also works. I just keep on slipping up from time to time because I find so much more logical.
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Ninjaslug Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Ok, good. So you're mostly into the goth type music?

I think the message blanked out whatever you put into the brackets, mind trying again?
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ForeverTeaTime Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, I am not sure, I'm not that great with defining the sound of a band. (The goth thing was mostly about idealogy and themes.)

I think looking at it, my music is music fits with what is popular amongst goths, but I don't think I mostly listen to the 'gothic rock/darkwave' stuff that originally accompanied the subculture.
I do have a reasonable estasblishment of it, but I also listen a lot to industrial (metal), neo-folk, dark caberet, alternative rock, hard rock, heavy metal, glamrock, classic rock, EBM, electronic and indie rock. (last.fm tag cloud was real helpful :D)


And ehm, sorry, I'm not catching up? (It's late, I should be sleeping, so I'm not that clear anymore. I apologize.)
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Ninjaslug Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
EBM? I've never heard of that.

Eh nevermind it's cool.
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ForeverTeaTime Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
It's something like this: [link]
An older example would be this: [link]

I've got periods that it is all that I listen, and then after a few days or so I'm like: Hell, this music is so boring and repetetive, I want to go back to my other music D:
And then I do until the next period comes :P
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Ninjaslug Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
sort of reminds me of acidmittens. [link]

I'm the same, and it's rather satisfying returning to your old tastes in musics. Sort of fun to feel the growth and changing in your tastes.
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ForeverTeaTime Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Mmm, I think the idea of EBM is to make it more uptempo and to include more base. Though, once again, I'm not too good with genre tags so I might be conpletely wrong... as I'm mostly guessing around based on what I see as a common factor between songs I like that I experience as EBM :P

Yes, watching the growth and change in your taste (but also see what somehow still ties music/bands/artists that you used to like, but don't like anymore, to the music/bands/artists you like now).
I think my taste has mostly widened over the years, which I think is great :D
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h-irsch Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I feel like whoring out my taste in music but I'm not going to.
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ForeverTeaTime Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
You may, I'm curious ^^
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RandomRobskii Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Student Filmographer
Three points says it's about Marilyn Manson.

Also, who the hell makes lighting fireworks illegal?
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ForeverTeaTime Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
People who think they're not safe, and that they're not toys.
If I had a say in it I would actually make them illegal all year round.

Anyway, yes it's Manson.
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RandomRobskii Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Student Filmographer
No, they're not safe, and they're not toys. But that doesn't mean they should be banned. Otherwise, you might want to put knives, lawnmowers, and hammers in there too. While we're at it, swimming pools without armbands, as well.
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ForeverTeaTime Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
But people don't massively use lawnmower, knives and hammers as toys. :shrug:

I don't think that swimming without armbands is that dangerous, if you can actually swim. There are other potential dangerous situations in and around pools, but I suppose they're still safer than fireworks. However, I haven't really gone to a pool in years because I think it's kind of well icky to go jump into a big tank filled with water that plenty of people have peed in, and is filled with icky fat and hairy people, not to mention people with skindiseases. On top of that all this has to be done showing off too much skin to a whole bunch of strangers, of which I am sure a few are dirty old perverts. (:

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RandomRobskii Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Student Filmographer
They're not toys. And neither are fireworks. They shouls just be used responsibly.
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ForeverTeaTime Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
But people don't use them that way.
And that's why I'm in favor of taking them away, as in: Okay, y'all proved to not be able to use them in a responsible way, so then you won't be allowed to used them at all. You spoiled it for yourself.

Just today my Dad read several stories about people losing their hands and/or digits. Also about a boy getting a piece of firework (accidentally) thrown in his jacket (by means of the collar) and having half his back burned. A friend of mine got shot at with a little rocket from a driving car and I saw a street light that had been blown up out of the ground by the side of the road today when walking to my gran.
And I am sure these are just a few of the stories of what went wrong with fireworks THIS YEAR. :/
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RandomRobskii Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Student Filmographer
There'll be people who always do dumb stuff with whatever. Pool cues for instance. I recall my sister telling me that some kids were playing with then and everything went horribly wrong. Without giving too much away, paramedics were called, and I'm fairly sure the kid is blind now. Should we ban them outright because people were immature or failing to look after their kids? Of course not. You could probably injure or kill yourself with anything if you try hard enough. There's a reason they're not sold to under 18s.
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ForeverTeaTime Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, yes, if we have to ban anything after it goes wrong once, then I'd agree with you.
But it's not just one accident that we're talking about, and I think that at some point you have to decide that a number of accidents caused by one specific thing is no longer tollerable. That it is no longer reasonable to not take action. It is debatable, of course, when that number is reached. I think that number is reached now.

And well, here they're sold to people older than 16... Though during the daytime it's mostly actual kids lighting fireworks (around midnight it's mostly slightly drunk men). I do think that most accidents occur with people in their midteens.
Perhaps instead of making them illegal all at once, a first measure could be to raise the buying age to 18 and make it illegal for people under 18 to light fireworks without supervision or something. For kids younger than 13, parents could be the ones getting the trouble if their kids are outside doing it unsupervised. For those between 13 and 18 they themselves would be held responsible for not obeying the law.
Then see how it goes... If it's still a mess then I'd be in favour of taking them away from everybody still. :shrug:
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XXtraPrince Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
Grow up! Now would be good.
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ForeverTeaTime Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
You know that I have never in my life heard an adult say such a thing?
It's always been people who got a year or two on you that feel the need to go around shouting this to people who are younger than them to establish confidence about their own behaviour.

I am just trying to say, but saying what you just did, to me your opinion lost all credibility.
Also I feel pretty confident about who I am, what I believe and how I act right now. So you implying I am 'childish' really is near to meaningless for me.
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XXtraPrince Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
Ignorant little punk.
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ForeverTeaTime Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
What, because I don't get on my knees and beg you to teach me all about life after you make a comment that I need to grow up when I complain about not liking people that hate on things based on nothing but assumptions and misinformation?
I am ignorant because I don't like you to tell me that I need to grow up because I complain how I don't like, well, pretty much, ehm, ignorance?
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XXtraPrince Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
You are a brain-dead, whiny little twerp. That is self-evident. You can throw petulant words at me, by the dozen, by the gross, whatever. You are what you are and I see little to no hope for you. Go crawl back in your pitiful hole and continue to feel sorry for yourself.
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ForeverTeaTime Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
The point is, I am not AT ALL feeling sorry for myself. I'm happy with who I am and I am not letting your words, which you cannot even seem to back up, get to me.
It seems this irritates you, as your accusations get wilder by the minute, again with no support whatsoever of why this would be true.
Plus you absolutely fail to answer any of my questions or comment on any of the things I say.
So actually, you're just piling up on my idea that those who go running around and making the loudest accusations towards others being childish and stupid, are just seeing mirrors in the eyes of those people.
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XXtraPrince Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013
Faggot.
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