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Why don't you fave AND comment? - last rant for 2012

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nonecansee Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist
I've been patient and I've been kind. I used to be what I'm complaining of now and I have seen the light.

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Many artists look forward to view and faves BUT comments (constructive ones or general ones) are HIGHLY SOUGHT AFTER. I appreciate faves and views on my works but it hardly feels as though anyone has really seen my work because they didn't leave a comment. I think (and I used to think this way too >.< God forgive me for still thinking it now, haha) Favorites are DeviantArt's "Likes" or "Thumbs Ups" of social networking sites :|

And it just bothers me how even a front page work o a Daily Deviation has more FAVES than COMMENTS :/ I feel for everyone who experiences this so this thread comes with a question for those who fave and run (and well people who like a work but do not leave comments): Why? Why not take a few seconds to leave a comment (especially on works that you faved!)?

If you have faved and run before, why?
I'll admit my initial reasons were that I didn't feel qualified to leave comments but with the onset of Critiques (which I think are more serious), Comments are now (and have always been) where anyone with an informed opinion of a certain work can leave messages to the artist about his/her specific piece.

I mean attention is nice and all. I appreciate pageviews, views, downloads and faves but comments too, please? :cry:

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Keyboard-Ninja Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Student Writer
For me it's either because I can't think of an appropriate comment, don't feel there's anything to say regarding the piece, or mental fatigue from trying to provide useful commentary and crit for some other work. Simply commenting with "this is nice/cute/funny/cool" is just feeble. Always nice to hear, but... :shrug:

Seems better to simply say nothing at all, if that's really the best I can manage.
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nonecansee Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Hobbyist
I see. Thanks for your input :)

I now value having an inbox with minimal activity, haha. A least I know I can keep track of any major alerts that way =P
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Keyboard-Ninja Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Student Writer
Quite welcome. ;P Far better than the opposite extreme, I assure you.
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x666NiGhTmArE666x Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013
I'm more happy about getting favs than anything because at least someone looked at my artwork.
Eventually, you'll get comments, but you can't force anyone. Be patient and you'll get some. ^^
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nonecansee Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013  Hobbyist
Okay, haha.
*Pours self more Patience*

It's just, idunno, starting to taste boring is all. :shrug: Of course, I know it doesn't mean it's not healthy for me.

Serious reply time: I suppose. :invisible:
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x666NiGhTmArE666x Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
I love how you responded. xD Well, stay active on deviant, get yourself out there. Fav, comment, reply to messages, go on forums, all that jazz. It's okay, I know the feel about being patient, but it's worth it. :aww:
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GigaPipen1407 Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
"Favorites are DeviantArt's "Likes" or "Thumbs Ups" of social networking sites."

It's not entirely relevant, but I find that kind of annoying. This is an ART WEBSITE. Therefore, (almost) everything people post here has taken anywhere from a few minutes to WEEKS of their time to make. So, is it not reasonable to thank someone because they liked your piece enough to favorite it? You could say the same thing about social networking comments, but from what I've seen/heard of social networking, most of the comment there are just crap about people's miserable lives, who's dating who, who's cheating on who, and the occasional witty comment/good profile.

I probably shouldn't say this, but don't you think a piece of art is worth thanking for? It's a personal preference, of course, but I don't understand how fave'ing a piece of art with effort put into it is anywhere near clicking a button saying you like something that doesn't mean two shits in the real world.
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nonecansee Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013  Hobbyist
But you still click a button. :rofl:
Get some snacks before reading this because it'll be long =P

Serious reply time:
Perhaps not you but other people who haven't defended themselves, I can half-assedly assume fave for the sake of attention (and that doesn't mean two shits in the real world either, at least not for the artist who made the work and then goes out of his or her way to thank said fav-er only to end up a number in their pageviews or whatnot) and fave for the simple reason that they found something funny or witty at the moment and then forget about it later on, not realizing they have it bookmarked and added to their collection in their profile. That's not really worth thanking the faver for.
Besides if you do like something here on dA, what is the only way for you to show it here if you want to avoid spamming an "omg kawaii" comment at the same time?
The thing I did not foresee is that unlike a social network site, people here are more sensitive or equally full of themselves and under the guise of internet anonymity can get away with meaningful or meaningless comments.

Also, I don't thank people who have fav'ed my work. I tried but I found it too awkward on my part. It's like the sole interaction between me and that internet person is a thank you on their profile page because they liked my work. Not for me.
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Also, haha, let this thread die :blushes: I've already learned my lesson to not expect too much of others.
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GigaPipen1407 Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ah, true. :shrug: I just ran on the assumption that people fave your work for a reason, not for profile page views, which I guess was a mistake. I don't mind if people thank or don't thank for my favorites. I just didn't understand what the big deal was with courtesy, you know?

I don't demand comments, and I do know that I'm guilty of "fave n' run" myself. I do agree that it's better for a few constructive comments than a ton of "So cool! :D" comments. My thing was/is that I just don't understand why people get so irritated because someone thanks them.
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nonecansee Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist
It's true for some percentage of the dA population :) more often than not, people who fave your works do like it or have some good reason to. But yeah, I too realized thanks to other complaint threads that there are still those others who do it for their own benefit. The irritation at people who thank other people for their faves may actually be thanking them for faving OR may actually be trying to bait the fav'er to look at his/her gallery/profile. But idunno :shrug: it's best not to think too much about it, haha.

A really bad case that I read on the FAQ is that some people make multiple accounts just to be able to increase the number of their pageviews (but whoever does that is putting waaay too much effort in the wrong place, haha. I mean instead of improving their art that is).

In the end, you just do your own thing while not expecting too much of people :)
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GigaPipen1407 Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Good philosophy. :D
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HopelessPandora Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Student General Artist
Sometimes the work has so many of the same comments that posting another one of similar praise would seem kind of silly or annoying to the original artist. Like, why waste their time saying how good it is when so many others have already done so?

And sometimes I don't feel qualified to make an intelligent comment on a great piece of work because of the lack of experience I have in the art field. Lots of people don't like seeing those comments from people who seem to know less than they do and I don't want to risk getting on anyone's bad side. So, a favorite is usually as far as I go. Though lately I've been trying to help out some deviants who want a little feedback.
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HallowpointPaws Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Because I often can't think of anything to say.
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ripley4O77 Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I fave when I really love a piece or when a technique is used I might want to look at closer in the future or simply because it gives me an idea I might look into later for myself.

I comment when I actually have something to say, or am impressed with a work one way or another or simply to give some critique or even to talk with a friend.

The two are completely unrelated, I have different reasons for doing any of the two so no way in hell will I always do both.


For my own work I'd rather have someone fave it then leave a comment saying 'Good' or whatever. I do not want a comment for the sake of getting a comment so I don't give a comment just for the sake of giving one either.
You shouldn't be on dA for faves and comments anyway but to share and improve on your art and what not.

A person who faves your work is doing you a favor, they do not owe you anything afterwards, a fave is not a down payment for a comment.
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Panthera--Shadow Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Student General Artist
I'm trying to fix that by commenting on everything I fav. It's one of my New Years resolutions.
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Engelsblau Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013
You know what I appreciate? When people who fave half of my gallery watch me. But how often does that happen? Not much. But I deal with it and so you should, too.
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nonecansee Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist
Yes, that's very nice and all but if I want to improve myself, that doesn't really help me decide what direction to take. That's the main point I wanted to make as opposed to people simply liking my stuff.
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Engelsblau Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013
That's the sad thing...
You can't really expect anything from the people over the internet, because you can't expect things from people in general.
Be glad when you get a helpful comment, but don't set your expectations too high.
I'm careful with giving critiques, honestly, because most people on here take it as an attack.
(And I'm being constructive, not this "your drawing is shit", thing).
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nonecansee Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist
Sigh *goes off to count her helpful comments carefully placed in a hidden treasure chest*

Haha yeah =P It's easy to have such high expectations of the internet and then be suddenly faced with the durned truth.
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MelodyMoose Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't comment if I have nothing to say. I fav because I want to see the pic again later.
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nonecansee Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist
Yes. I apparently missed that "faving" bookmarks a work. But I wonder how many people actually look back at their favorites folder, especially those who fave and fave and fave.

(Not counting people who fave for pageviews or other such ways attention; but that is a different complaint :))
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LoVe-3N Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Student General Artist
I don't fave and comment. I favourite something because I like it, and I see no need to comment. I don't care about comments.
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nonecansee Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist
umm, did you just spam my works and my profile to prove your point? :hmm:
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LoVe-3N Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Student General Artist
lol. Yeah. Just report them as spam.
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LoVe-3N Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Student General Artist
Besides, do you really wat "OMG KAWAII DESU!!" on your art?
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nonecansee Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist
I think I'll leave them there, thanks for asking :) but tsk tsk tsk, you forgot to fave. And here I was, complaining about faving and not leaving comments and yet there you are doing the opposite.
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LoVe-3N Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Student General Artist
Lol. Faving them then.
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psychogizmo Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Yes. Exactly. I ALWAYS leave a comment on stuff I fave, and I comment on plenty of other things that I like, but not quite enough to fave. I think it's important!

Also, I've been here for nine years, and commenting USED to be a lot more common... as was real constructive criticism on work.
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nonecansee Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Hobbyist
:noes: I should've joined sooner!
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Kitsuru Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013   Digital Artist
I agree with most here. I only leave a comment when i have something in particular that i want to say, since tons of the same comments saying "i like it" or "cute!" don't really help. Constructive comments seem to be getting scarce though :/
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nonecansee Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Hobbyist
That's true :/

Ah well, the times are a-changing.
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Lankss Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
:iconovariesplz: personal opinions
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VISIONOFTHEWORLD Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
One week old thread but something needs to be said:\

When someone gives you a fave they are giving you something. You are whining that they didn't give you enough?
How many comments do you leave to people?!? What do you give to the community? This is the epitome of spoiled and conceited little children that I see complaints about not being given enough ass pats.
How about this: if I ever see anyone come at me and complain that I didn't leave a comment with the fave, then I'm unfaving it immediately, blocking them, and never considering their 'art' again. Attitude= you get nothing.
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nonecansee Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Hobbyist
Pardon my words if they sounded entitled but it was something I innocently expected of the dA community, you know. Being a gallery and artist-oriented website and all. Forgive me for expecting too much.

Mind you, I'm changing that habit whenever I do fave. I do in fact leave comments before faving something and vice versa as opposed to when I faved and ran before. Now I'll admit that my comments weren't always the helpful and constructive kind (like what I wanted in the first place) but I'm getting better at leaving comments by being more specific about what I want to say. I'm actually part of :iconprojectcomment: thanks to previous posters to this thread :)

I now acknowledge that I cannot force people to give me constructive feedback unless I ask for it.

Also, this is in the complaints forum :) I think it's appropriately placed.

Thank you for your input! :D
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VISIONOFTHEWORLD Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
There is nothing wrong with exchanging comments, but you need to understand that not everyone wants to leave a comment all the time and they don't have to, shouldn't be made to feel as if they have to, and don't owe comments to you or to anyone else. The website gives us many choices to communicate- we can leave a comment, fave a picture, give a llama, leave a gallery comment, leave a note, reply to the artist's front page, write critique... All of those choices, and they can be used interchangeably and one does not require the other. That is the point I am making on behalf of this entire community. I've truly never had anyone get up in my business for not leaving a comment, every time I favorite something I get a thanks. Almost every time. I do the same to others. I don't always think the artist deserves a comment- if they have 89 comments on a picture then maybe they should be giving a few more out, since they've already absorbed enough praise and other people who deserve more feedback aren't given any. And honestly if I/we think something is utter perfection, there isn't always much to say. I find that human beings in general are much more responsive when people are generous than when they are just asked for things.
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nonecansee Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist
Forgive me for not being other-regarding at this point =P
It's okay though :) I understood plenty from what you said.

But to clarify what I said, prompting/asking for constructive criticism in the Artist's Comment will get my point across to whoever might see my work and would have a useful thing or two to say about it. Besides, with respect to your last sentence, it's up to you to make things as clear as you want to and I guess with my previous works, I wasn't being clear and felt entitled and expected comments to land on my lap. It's just now that I'm being clear with what I would like from my favers and viewers. :)
I'd also like to add that it goes both ways so I guess there's a balance that must be kept in order to maximize any mutual understanding. From my personal experience, there is such a thing as being too generous and there is also such a thing as being too uptight, haha.

Well now, I've resumed not minding if people don't comment on my work after faving it (or even viewing it). Heaven knows (and the bandwidth, haha) that thanks to this thread I got what I was looking for, namely finding out the reasons why people fave and run.

Thanks for the hearty conversation, haha. :D
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novuschroma Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
I fave because I find something interesting enough to want to see it again later or potentially useful (like stock & tutorials). It's more like bookmarking the page than attempting to give the artist feedback. I often don't comment on my "favorites" and I don't always favorite people's work I comment on either.
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Cryophase Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
nah I'm too lazy
internet goers are lazy
who cares
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TeenyTinyTentacles Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013   General Artist
I usually do not have much to say, and I'd rather prefer not to spam an artist's inbox with just "Awesome" or "I love it".

I have a few reasons for this though.

1. I genuine don't have anything good to say and from what I have seen, unpopular/developing artists don't like comments that don't generally help them improve and I'd rather not irritate them out of leaving because they can't get any criticism out of their watchers.

2. I have some criticism but fear backlash because either the artist is popular and their fans would attack me or the artist is sensitive and will either NOT take the critique because I didn't sugar coat it or through a massive bitch fit because I didn't sugar coat it.

3. The artist is extremely popular and I'm sure their inbox gets filled with thousands of messages each day and I feel better knowing that I didn't contribute the repetitive messages they get on a daily basis.

Otherwise I would comment but I'd rather not comment if I can't actually contribute something of value or I don't know the artist well enough to criticize them without fearing drama.
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TeenyTinyTentacles Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013   General Artist
*throw not through
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Dark-Mage-13 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Student General Artist
My reason why is that I fav a lot, and plus, I'm lazy, and have nothing to say.
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MozenrathTheSorcerer Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013
The Reason I Don't Leave Comments Is Because I Have Nothing To Say Really. All I KNOW HOW To Say Is "Looks Cool", "Looks Great", "I Like It", Etc... :C
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Tidal-Wave-Art Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'll comment when I feel like it. :grump:
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Sapphire-Ashesx Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013
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Shantella Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Sometimes I don't feel like flooding their inbox.
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Transformergirl Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
If I have nothing to say other than 'awesome pic bro' than I usually just say nothing.
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FeralTao Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013
+1. It's rather pointless and sometimes you just don't have the energy to be more thourough than that.
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Transformergirl Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
And personally, I kind of like it when the comments I receive are thoughtful. If everyone just faves and doesn't comment, I'm not bothered by it. However, I feel obligated to reply to all comments I recieve if I can and if every comment is 'awesome pic bro' or something to that effect, then I feel stupid replying in the same manner to 30+ comments.

It feels pointless and unnecessarily trying inflate someone's ego.
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FeralTao Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013
Eh, I don't really think about the ego at all, that's their problem. I think you can safely presume that everything anyone puts out here is something they're either uploading because they're not entirely ashamed of it or for the lulz, in which case it will be obvious.
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MisterTurtle Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013
Because we sometimes want to avoid making filler comments.

Though I could use more comments myself.
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