People are vain fuckers. "I lost all my hair!" Hello? It grows back. If you're so worried about your hair, stop taking the treatments and give them to someone who rather save their live than worry about how people are going to see them.
Yes i agree with you....my hair would probably be the least of my worries...however this is coming from someone who couldn't give two fucks if anyone did not like the way i looked, I don't wear makeup aside if i want to look like a kitty (hence my prof pic)
I also find it interesting of how many hateful comments there are....ignorant small minded people eh?
Complaining about others whining about their hair loss is somewhat beside the point; that's something that brings them all together in not-so-tragic way, because it's one of the few not-so-harmful effects of chemotheraphy. As another deviant stated below: "If I got sick, I'd be one of those bitching more about my hair than chemo". It's a lot more depressing to talk about your pain and suffering. So if sharing their experiences through discussing how they deal with hair loss gives them joy, why should you have the right to deny them that? It's childish to even think you would. You're not helping anyone with your complaints.
Anna, honey, don't let the dumb asses who are construing what you say get you down. While I know as a psychology major there's some psychological damage when you start having your hair fall out in clumps in your hands, but that's why people don't let it get patchy and just shave it all.
The act of shaving it is actually supposed to SAVE you the mental trauma of losing all your hair bit by bit. Hence why they have most people shave it before they eve start treatment. The people on here need to understand not only by shaving your head when undergoing chemo, you're not only in a battle with cancer, but saving yourself the mental breakdown of losing all your fucking hair.
Exactly, just shave it to begin with, or put a hat on it. I'm not even religious but I think that even most women look cute with some kind of hat. I'd never deny there are more pleasant things than losing your hair, but it's "managably horrible" since you can trust it's temporary. I had 17 inch hair when I decided I was not going to hope for stupid rosemarin-and-oil goo to cure it of the decade of abuse it's suffered from bleaches and dyes, in addition to my severe malnutrition (gastric bypass, too ADHD to remember taking my supplements). My hair growing back 100x better than it was, was the one thing I could be sure of, so it was one "mutilation" I knew was going to do good. Other problems aren't so easy to cope with and don't solve themselves after a few months, and once that sinks in, your hair becomes a joke. And, I appreciate your objectivity
Yeah, I tried to start up an argument with some of these people and they just run you in circles, I saw that you stopped replying after a few of them, and I think that's probably best. Most are a bit unreasonable.
I learned the harsh way - arguing and getting angry until bludgeoned by the banhammer - to just walk away when debate becomes pointless and starts going in circles. When I said everything I had to say and the other person is still going back to what I've just explained, I'm out. This crap doesn't pay my bills, nor does it clean the cat shit boxes. Not that I don't realize the sensitive and scream-fest material nature of some of my posts, it's just that I don't have an obligation to stick around after initial venting. When I was younger and dumber, I thought walking away was always cowardly and to be avoided at all cost, now I think bending over backwards to stand your ground in a fight that isn't worth a glass of stale beer, is just dumb and needlessly painful.
2%? Holy crap. But let's put it this way, let's say you have cancer, get chemo, are healed, and have only your hair to mourn? It'll grow back and it's just bought you a lifetime of growing your hair back.
You are incredibly stupid. But you're a Jew so I'll simplify this as much as I possibly can for you:
People don't deny chemotherapy treatment because their hair falls out. There are a lot more relevant things that doctors discuss with their patients before administering: high risk of heart attack, lung collapse, fatigue and depression*, severe gastrointestinal upset**, immune system failure, oh and your personal favourite: hair loss. To recap: CHEMOTHERAPY IS INCREDIBLY PAINFUL. Imagine not being able to hold down a meal for weeks on end, hopefulyy you're not so stupid that I have to paint a more detailed picture for you.
These "pity parties" that you've gone on about in the original post. I'd like to see some proof to support this claim, because I'm CALLING BULLSHIT on your pathetic waste of a post.
*The real kind, not the "waaaah I'ma slit my wrists" bullshit you're likely to have in journals/blogs. Fatigue very similar to CFS - look it the fuck up. **Think along the lines of: severe vomiting, diarrhea, constant heartburn, dehydration, resulting in very serious weight loss
Finally; 8/10. You made me not only read your textual vomit, but I gave you the time to also respond. Could have gotten a 10/10 if I raged, but no.
In A way, you have just proven her correct then...they have no reason to complain about the hair loss. As YOU YOURSELF just said they have a ton of other symptoms to worry about then! Also if this post offends you so very much that you send this long mean hateful reply, then why not just oh i don't know NOT READ IT... Nice speaking with you Hope you have a fantidlyastic day!!
If my post is a waste, why go through the trouble of writing a long reply that misses the point by a continent and a half? And how do you manage to be both a Jew-hating racist scum, and complain about my attitude toward people mourning their hair rather than celebrating their survival, as if you're such a good person (obviously, you collectively hate Jews which means you're hateful of people who are no better or worse than gay, black, short, fat, or Asin people - and collective minority hatred is a strong indicator that you do not get to preach to others).
"severe vomiting, diarrhea, constant heartburn, dehydration, resulting in very serious weight loss" So? When did I rag on any of that? What exactly have the pain and other SERIOUS side effects of chemotherapy to do with bitching over HAIR? When did I say "You don't get to whine over weightloss, pain, and vomiting"? If YOU weren't so mind-bogglingly dumb, you would have realized I was referring exclusively to SURVIVORS bitching over having lost some HAIR to live to grow new hair.
I'm not the one who's stupid. I was neither implying that I didn't know the ACTUAL problems with chemotherapy (hairloss is a pure vanity issue, physical pain is not), nor that I took issue with cancer patients in general. Plus, you assume that ethnicity influences intelligence. Now who's stupid? Being a Judenfeind who completely misses the point before opening your yap, isn't what I would normally encounter among people with a Mensa-level IQ. Also, you stupid creature, I didn't MAKE you read anything. You chose to click the title and read what follows, and you chose to reply. Your hatred of minorities, your missing the point, and your claim that I made you do anything while not even knowing of your existence, indicate you are the stupid one.
Everybody is able to use free speech people, not just people dealing with cancer. Whether that person is wrong it shouldn't matter. Theres people who have talked about those kids in Connecticut, and how they should have died as soon as they were born, you don't see them getting banned. The point is, everybody needs to shut up and stop getting their "feelings hurt" all the time. Thats why bad things are happening in this world. Its called ignoring the commenter. Stop being like kids and grow up, all of you.
The main reason they complain about their hair is that a) it's one more thing to deal with on top of all the other shit they're dealing with and b) it makes them feel even *less* in control than they are. It makes it harder to ignore that they're sick, if their hair is falling out. Not only do they feel like shit from chemo/cancer, not only do they have to deal with their own mortality, not only do they have to deal with astronomical bills, now they also have NO hair.
If you've never been bald or had a shaved head, your hair is likely very important to your self-image. Take it away and it's a big shock, and yes a loss in a way. Sometimes it's easier to complain about losing your hair, than it is to face their real fears about what they are going through.
In other words you're being a douche-bag who can't see any other perspective and try and understand why hair-loss would be so important to someone facing cancer.
Are they refusing treatment because of their hair? No? Then grow up. They're allowed to fuss over it if they want. They aren't saying they'd rather die, they're still getting the treatment. And, quite frankly, it's none of your business.
You're allowed to worry about more than one thing. Even when you have cancer, life goes on. And hair loss is a factor there. It also has a psychological impact whether you want it to or not, and poor psychological health is known to cause complications during cancer treatment, so there is certainly a practical aspect to it.
It marks you out, as you pass from the realm of the well to the realm of the sick. You get the chemo look. Weight loss, sallow skin, hollow cheeks, bags under the eyes, stick limbs, bald. Hair comes out in clumps, and it itches terribly. It has a massive impact on happiness in a capacity quite apart from the obvious effect of the spectre of death that looms over all residents of Tumour Town. Dealing with just that little aspect goes a long way for cancer patients and it improves their health and quality of life.
Would you also disregard the concerns of those complaining about the violent vomiting that the chemo causes? The or the sterility? Loss of appetite and libido? They might be fighting cancer, but the fact is that the fight itself strips pieces of you away, one by one, both visibly and invisibly, which is why many come to decide that the cost of the fight isn't worth the victory. Cancer patients are well within their rights to worry about this and seek support for it, and to tell those who come along to belittle such efforts to fuck off.
Yeah, cancer patients undergoing chemo are pussies. Good point. Vain fuckers. Yeah, I agree. Some trivial fucking wig that might make a cancer patient feel better about themselves in some way is just going TOO FAR in the vanity department.
one of the biggest struggles in life is feeling good about yourself. it becomes even harder when something tragic and scary happens to you. when you get hit with cancer your health goes down and then you begin to feel like shit. then you not only feel like shit because your dying but also because you know it. then your hair starts falling out. you start loosing weight and look sickly which causes people to be nervous when their around you. your self esteem goes down and even if your not nearly dead you might begin to want to be. one simple thing that makes a difference is feeling normal which stops you from going insane. having hair is something that feels normal. looking less sickly so your family doesn't worry helps make you feel better. so yes small things like hair or looking and feeling as normal as you can can make so much of a difference because having cancer and fighting cancer are very different. by the way not everyone who does chemo lives through cancer. and if i die i want to do so with some dignity not a withered stick that's not even recognizable.
Okay first off it was probably less what you said and more how you said it because you come across and needlessly agressive. Second off, it's not sexism or any other of those weird points you brought up. It's all about control. People are happier when they have control over their own lives. Control over what they want to do in a day, how they appear and all that jazz. When all your hair is falling out that's just a screaming reminder to a person that they don't have control over their own bodies anymore and that is what is going to get a lot of people down. Just because hair loss didn't get you down or concerned you in the slightest doesn't mean everyone else should feel the same way.
tl;dr shh you're really angry and I don't understand why.
Everything I wanted to say has already been said. I will tell you that the sooner you accept not everyone will feel, react, or make decisions the same way you do, the happier you will be. So what you don't find the hair important? its devastating for other people. Just as something that will have a huge effect on your well being and state of mind will seem like nothing to another person.
Let's try another angle: Have you ever had a really horrible day? You got fired, your car broke down, and you're coming down with the flu all in the same day? They suck, but you can keep it together - until you open the fridge and realize you have no milk for the bowl of cereal you just poured. THEN you lose it. THEN you cry and scream and it's the single worst day of your life.
Well, that's silly, why would you focus on running out of milk when you have all this horrible crap going on around you? It's sort of straw-that-breaks-the-camel's-back syndrome. You can get a new job, you can get your car fixed, but you can't unpour that bowl of cereal. Sure, you can go to the store and get a new carton of milk, but goddamnit you wanted that cereal NOW it's so unfair why is the whole world against me I just had the worst day ever and all I wanted was one bowl of cereal and I'm not even allowed to have milk.
Now think about that with cancer. You're going through all these horrible treatments to combat this horrible disease, but it's okay because it might get better some day and you have your friends to support you. Then your hair starts falling out in big clumps, and one day you wake up bald. And that's just not fair. Life is already putting you through the worst thing imaginable, and now it's kicking you while you're down by taking away the one thing you had control of. And yeah, you can a wig, but it'll never be YOUR hair. You can wait for your hair to grow back, but goddamnit I want it now while I'm going through the worst experience of my life.
Being upset you're losing your hair isn't trivial, like being upset that you ran out of milk on a bad day isn't trivial. It's a normal reaction to a bad situation.
You put that amazingly well. I agree wholeheartedly. I agree that they banned you for a rather stupid and idiotic reason... but I'm not quite sure why you're raging that people are complaining about losing hair. It's seriously not that big of a deal- just because you weren't upset about losing your hair doesn't mean someone else will react the same. And it could be the breaking point or the last straw for a sad cancer patient. I'd certainly be upset about losing my hair. A wig would be nice if it happened, but I'd only use one if someone else bought me one. Calm down. :/ It's sad you got banned for such a stupid reason but your complaint was rather silly.
Man, the whole "hurr durr peeur logiks" thing died out like two years ago.
It's a common thing for people in traumatic, stressful events to worry about inconsequential shit. A girl during the Columbine shooting was worried about the way she was dressed that day, for example.
Hell, when I went into the hospital in a diabetic coma and almost fucking died the thing I REALLY focused on at the time when I woke up and wasn't miserably sick was something inconsequential. It was a stressful time, I forget, so fuck it, but I do know it wasn't "not die". I remember getting some Gameboy games as consolation presents so I think I focused on beating those or something.
In short, stress causes people to do, say, and think really weird shit. You've probably hadn't had any really significant stressors in your life or this "peeur logik" bs wouldn't be in your mindset. Stop thinking of things like a computer does and have some recognition of how emotions play into our characters.
When my boyfriends little sis woke up in the hospital a week after having a heart attack, the things she was most concerned about was her hamster and the fact that it was Tuesday and her friends celebrate something they call "inappropriate touch Tuesday" so she was missing out on grabbing her friend's butts. She was really upset by it, even though she almost died and was hooked up to tons of machines. I love his little sis.
So yeah, in moments in our life where we've face death, we think of and worry about weird shit.
You know what, if I had cancer (and was going through chemo), I most definitely WOULD be worrying about my hair.
For one thing, being bald would be just a giant reminder of the fact that I have cancer every time I looked in a mirror and that shit would be depressing. And it wouldn't help that every time I left the house, every single person on the street would be able to tell what I was going through and then give me a bunch of pitying looks.
Getting a wig and fussing over your hair is something that you can do about your circumstances and gives you a little bit of control over that whole damn cancer thing. Do you feel better or prettier in a wig? Good. Then wear a wig and feel pretty and a bit more like you were before cancer. Why? Because you have mother fucking cancer.
"I just don't respect horribly ill people for fussing over something so silly compared to what they're hospitalized for."
As opposed to fussing over their cancer? What are they supposed to do, beside get chemo? If fussing over their hair takes their minds off the fact that they're potentially dieing then more power to them.
Which is not to say that you should have been banned for your opinion, but still.
and to be banned for pointing such a simple fact out is just plain idiotic
what are they supposed to do? how bout instead of stressing themselves out cuz OMG IM LOZIN MY HAIR they should focus on trying to get better and attempt to relax and maintain a positive outlook. stress will KILL you and honestly their body does not need any more of it.
Maybe it was your attitude. "All I said, and I was right, was that I do not believe chemo patients, people facing cancer and possibly death, should be fussing as much as they do about their stupid HAIR".
You just assume you were absolutely right that cancer patients should not care about their hair. I don't think you gave it a lot of thought. When you lose your hair from treatment, you don't just have this neatly sheared head. You lose it in such a way that when you look into the mirror, you look like death. You LOOK like you are are withering away and dying. Because the treatment is sending massive amounts of poison through your system. For some people, they aren't just losing hair, they're witnessing the breakdown of their body and their identity -> death. You're assuming it's all about vanity, and it might appear that way on the surface. But humans normally do not want to look like a walking corpse. Because when you look like one, you begin to feel like one, and you have to explain to people why you look so ill ( because people are nosy, critical prats). And after all that, a cancer patient must face the concept that they might indeed die. And that's scary as hell.
That being said, just because my coffee mug has more empathy than you do doesn't mean you should get banned for your opinion.
which causes stress which causes them to be less healthy which can also lead to death. their body is most likely stressed already the last thing they should do is ADD onto it
:l they shouldnt stress about their hair they cant do anything about it besides getting a wig they should just accept it as a fact of life and what theyre going through and how they could end up SURVIVING
They can't help it. People don't choose how they feel when they're dying. They can't choose what they have extreme anxiety over. They aren't zen monks. Give them a fucking break, grow some empathy, and just for a second pretend you might not know what you're talking about because you aren't going through it. Either that, or recognize you don't have the ability to feel empathy and keep your mouth shut around people who need it.
No but they can choose what to focus on and they can realize they have a chance of living
You ever have that one friend in your group that solves everyones problem? Even if you planned to ostracize a person cuz everyone hates them and said person helps out that person. Im that person in all my goups im the mediator. I stopped people with depression from killing themselves by pointing out how they still have a lifetime left and that they shouldnt dwell on certain things.
Put that to now. Cancer patients should focus on the fact they may live. if they realize they can die why should they torment themselves instead of trying to enjoy the time they have left?
Focus on enjoying life and the positive not the negative and dwelling on it.
All Ill say is that as someone with a crap- tastic illness, I feel that no one else will be able to understand exactly what I have gone through and I will never be able to completely understand what someone else has felt while going through something awful. Most days I try not to complain at all because I feel there isn't much point to it. Some days I cant stop from wallowing in the constant pain I'm in, and how none of the many pills I take will make it go away. Some days I feel constant depression about the fact that my life consists mostly of sitting around a house all day with only enough energy to watch tv. And some days I feel upset about the fact that I have gained weight, haven't been able to shower in a week and don't feel pretty like I used to. And than there are great days when I can ignore all of it and look to a hopeful future where I will be at least some of the way better, and be glad for the hope I have for the rest of my life. And in the darkest days, when I don't want wake up the next morning just to experience the same pain I'm in today.
I guess my main point is that though some people may have worse problems and some may have better we all go through shit ,and I feel most of us are trying to handle it as best we can. And that no one should judge what they cant understand.
I fully agree with you. Focus on fighting the cancer, not on silly hair. Hair is just hair. It grows back. I can definitely see why it would suck, since cancer patients already feel like shit from the sickness and then their hair falls out, but there are more important things in life than vanity.
I am TOTALLY with this! And on another note, Americans do have their priorities mixed up. They care more about their appearance, status, and such rather than the things they should be grateful for. They're way to greedy and selfish, and they think they're 'all that'. (Sadly, I'm an american. XD) It makes me really sad that you got banned for speaking your opinion, when you legally have freedom of speech. Yes, some people may have been insulted, but it's JUST AN OPINION!
If you've got freedom to speak, others have freedom to speak back to you. If your pweshus fee fees get hurt because someone told you off about how wrong you are, just remember, freedom of speech means they can share their opinions too. Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism. In fact, it's intended as the opposite of that. So trying to hide behind it when you get called out for being an idiot just proves that you don't know how the constitution works.
Freedom of speech does not guarentee you the right to not be ostracized for your opinion or told your opinion is callous and I'll founded. Freedom of speech just means you don't go to jail for saying something the government doesn't like. Don't throw around terms that you don't understand.
And if you think a cancer patient upset over their hair falling out is an example of Americans having their priorities mixed up the you are as stupid as the OP is.