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You have no idea how renting a house works

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thisismyboat Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
TL; DR: One of three future roommates (and her mom) thinks she can arrange a year-long lease with a tenant without ever talking to the owner. I refuse to join in on this because I'd like to not risk losing hundreds of dollars and being homeless. So this doesn't get locked, feel free to tell stories about horrible roommates and/or landlords. That's always fun.

So a few friends and I are looking for a house to rent this spring. We decided to get on the ball at the end of November because we knew that at the start of January both prices and competition are going to go up like crazy. Three of us found a pretty great place and were ready to sign the lease when the last girl goes "Wait, I think we should look around a bit more and also I can't sign a lease this soon without my mom seeing the house". This should have been the first red flag.

Her mom manages to find another house that's really nice, cheap, and in a great location. Ignoring mommy meddling, we're happy enough to sign the lease. Then the daughter goes "I'm just waiting for the tenant to give me the owner's contact information".

You mean this entire time you weren't talking to the owner? And the owner hasn't actually told you that they wants to rent the house, let alone to four students?

Anyways, since the start of December it's been basically me (because no one else has the balls to say anything) constantly asking our future roommate if she's talked to the owner yet. It's always "No, but..." with another stupid deal she's made with the current tenant. Both her and her mom are completely incapable of understanding that the tenant means fuck all when you're renting a house. I've told her at least three times now that the house doesn't belong to the tenant, and the owner/landlord of the house has yet to EVEN TALK TO US, let alone say "I am okay with renting this place to the four of you". Everyone's been chasing this house with stars in their eyes, completely wasting a month we could have used to look at other places or sign a lease that actually exists.

I've sent her a fourth message now explaining as simply as possible that the tenant has no legal right to rent the house to us, and all communication with the tenant is worthless until we talk to the owner. If they can't get that through their head and keep chasing this house, I hope they're able to find another roommate because I'm abandoning that ship. There's no way in hell I'm giving my money to someone who has no ties to the property. That screams Scamcity.

Also, seriously, who needs their mom to approve a house? What are you, ten?
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puppy-dangerous Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
We rented a house a few years ago- went in to sign the paperwork and were told that they didn't have any IDEA the current tenant was moving out. And of course they didn't waive our security deposit (as she said she had arranged for them to) and rent was $50 higher.

She wanted to break the lease and figured they'd be more accommodating if she found new people to live there fist.

That whole house turned out to be a disaster :(
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thisismyboat Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Ugh, that's crappy. Some people are so afraid of confrontation that they'll do everything to avoid it, including screwing over other people.
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FeralTao Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012
A specific line from a song comes to mind. "Run to the hills".

This is almost certainly a scam. Demand the tenants number and talk, if he/she doesn't want to give you the landlord's contact information then it's sealed - the tenant is trying to scam you and the landlord. If you have the address then it should be possible to find out who the landlord is anyway and ask them about this deal.
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thisismyboat Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Now you got Iron Maiden stuck in my head.

You're right though. I'm still waiting for a response from the girl as to whether she has the owner's contact information. Unfortunately Facebook communication isn't the fastest way of doing things.
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FeralTao Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012
:D My daily good deed has been done.

Amen to that. At least now you can see if they've read the message = Are ignoring you on purpose. I hope it turns out alright. That friend of a friend seems odd to say the least. Either that person is really ignorant or a part of the scam.
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thisismyboat Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I'd be shocked if she was in on the scam. I think she's just very naive with stars in her eyes, plus her mom is encouraging her. It is a very nice house in a great location for a cheap price, and I'd jump on it in a second if we could talk to the owner. Sounds like it's too good to be true, unfortunately.
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FeralTao Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012
Unfortunately yes. :/ Hope it works out.
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thisismyboat Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Cheers!
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HeavenhairSixes Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I could be wrong depending on your local laws and stuff but she can arrange all she wants with the tenant - but without some kind of an arrangement with the landlord you could all still end up unexpectedly homeless or worse. But I don't see what could go wrong with making an arrangement with the landlord but not the current tenant - so surely that would be the sensible place to start?

Why would the tenant have any interest in cutting a deal for the property anyway, unless they were trying to lumber someone with some crap they didn't want to deal with? Or trying to scam money out of someone who looked gullible?

I never had a horrible roommate or landlord but I did a have a crazy roommate one time. We fell out during a drunken argument and he divided the flat into two and kept on his side and didn't step into my side. I had the toilet in my half so he kept all his bodily waste in jars and stuff and it started to smell real bad.

I told him it was dumb and that he should use the toilet and I went into his half all the time but he didn't budge.

Also he used to insist on playing his porn loud enough for the neighbours to hear otherwise he said 'there wouldn't be any point...'
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puppy-dangerous Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
'so he kept all his bodily waste in jars'

Eeeeeeeew!
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HeavenhairSixes Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It could have been worse, I guess. It could have been other peoples bodily waste...
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puppy-dangerous Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
Now THATS an icky fetish.
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thisismyboat Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
You nailed everything I'm finding fishy about this deal, and the homeless part is exactly why I'm not going to join in on it. You'd think after a month of communications that the landlord would have something to say, yet we're still without his contact info. Even worse, the girl's mom is now negotiating a "reasonable fee" so the tenant will pull the ad and hold the place for us in May. :fear:
They really have no understanding that the current tenant has no say on who gets a lease, especially one that's moving out.

Good lord, your old roommate sounds awful. I don't even understand how one could live with their waste in jars. How long did he keep it up?
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HeavenhairSixes Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
If you are only dealing with the tenant then they can sublet but you have no lease. This is the issue. If the current tenant takes money from you but doesn't pay the landlord then you are screwed. If the landlord kicks out the tenant for whatever reason or their lease ends or even if the building is sold to be knocked down and replaced with a shopping mall then what rights do you have? Maybe none depending on the local laws?

It would be crazy to get involved.

He kept up the poop in jars for at least two months until I left and moved in with my girlfriend. For all I know he might have kept it up after that - I know he kept it up long after we got over the argument so he might have just been enjoying it?

I wouldn't call him awful. I was a lot younger and drunkener and had plenty of bad habits that I would now be ashamed of, so awful would seem unfair. I never kept poop in jars though...
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thisismyboat Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Oh, absolutely. My biggest worry is that we'll (or they'll, since I'm ready to abandon this very soon) give money to the tenant and he'll take off with it rather than give it to the landlord. Maybe they just don't care that much because they have parents/boyfriends they can live with, but my closest friendly home is a 36 hour drive, so being homeless is the least desirable thing on my list right now.

Yeah, keeping poop in jars is a bit excessive. Did he ever get rid of them on a weekly basis, or did he serious have two months worth of poop stored?
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HeavenhairSixes Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
He might have been emptying that that stuff somewhere and starting over while I wasn't around but I don't think so.

I'm pretty sure that he wanted me to smell that he definitely was keeping all of the poop in jars with no lids on just so as I could be absolutely certain he wasn't just creeping into my half of the flat to empty it into the toilet while I was out. It was very important to him that he couldn't be seen to back down from whatever crazy thing was going on his head that I didn't understand. And it was just as important to me that I couldn't be seen to be caring about any of it.

It was like mutually assured destruction but with stupidity instead of nuclear proliferation. The Cuban missile crisis but with jars of poop instead of the missiles.
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thisismyboat Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
That was a beautiful analogy.
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Neo-Kaiser Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012
What a coincedence, I just moved out of my previous home and my "landlord" was a totally unfair and scamming bitch who regularly broke the law and left a small box full of chickens with no water or food at home while she went away for christmas and they all started to attempt to eat each other.
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redmarlin Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012
Mark the chickens, set up gambling ring, take bets on which one survives, profit.
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GoatQueen Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012
poor chickens :(
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thisismyboat Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
The part that weirded me out the most about that someone thinks chickens go in boxes.
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ToySkunk Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012  Professional General Artist
I own property, and I'd be furious if this kind of rubbish went on without me knowing about it. :noes:
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thisismyboat Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Exactly! It's part of the reason I'm so antsy too. After a month of communication, you'd think the owner would have at least SOMETHING to say.
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bohobella Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
Not that your friend isn't an idiot, but I'm an adult and I would totally bring my mother when subletting a house. She knows a hell of a lot more than I do in the world of renting, and not to mention I'll have to invite her over and hear her bitching eventually if something's wrong with it.
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Arvellas Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012
Well to be fair, there's a difference between, "I'm going to have my mom advise me because she has more experience than I do," and "I have to have mommy handle everything for me because I can't take care of myself."
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thisismyboat Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Hah, that's fair. It was mostly how she didn't say anything about her mom until the last moment that bothered me. Plus her mom is encouraging this mess, since she keeps insisting on dealing with the tenant instead of the owner like a proper adult would. Harrumph!
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Juliabohemian Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012
I thought subletting was illegal.
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thisismyboat Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Not here, as far as I know. The landlord has to (obviously) know about it though, and the tenant is pretty much fully responsible for what the sublettees do. This tenant seems like they're trying to do it behind the owner's back, which is another things raising huge red flags for me.
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Juliabohemian Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012
Where is here? If it’s in the US, I know of no state that allows it. If it’s outside the US, then I don’t know their laws. The owner of the property must be made aware of any person who will be inhabiting it.
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thisismyboat Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Ontario. I just looked it up and it is pretty much exactly as I described: Legal, but the tenant is responsible to the landlord for whoever moves in.
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Juliabohemian Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012
Which means they would have to be notified in some capacity. So if they don’t tell him, I imagine there would be some legal action?
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thisismyboat Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I assume it'd be handled as squatting, which is exactly why I don't want to get involved with this house unless we've talked to the owner. I don't think these other girls realize that we could get thrown out onto the streets or arrested if this turns out to be a scam.
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Juliabohemian Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012
Well, protect yourself if you can’t make your friends see reason.
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thisismyboat Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
That's the plan! :D I've already made some arrangements to view places that are looking for someone to fill a room.
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Kizziesama Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012
Yeah, I'd just drop her from the whole thing if she can't even get a word in with the landlord :hmm: You've wasted a month... stop wasting anymore time with her.
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siantjudas Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012   Digital Artist
One word. :D

Timeshare
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puppy-dangerous Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
:tmnt3: XD
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I think you should just tell her to fuck herself.
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thisismyboat Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Eh, it's easier for me to leave on reasonable terms than to try to make one person go away.
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Do that then :)
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Penhuin Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Get better friends.
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thisismyboat Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Yeah, "friends" was probably the wrong word to use here. My friend and I were going to rent a place. My friend then picked another friend (stranger to me) who picked her friend (stranger to both of us, and the one that's holding everything up) to join us. In hindsight this was not the wisest way to go about getting roommates, and if I could do it again I'd just rent with my friend like we had originally planned.
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nokari Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012  Professional Interface Designer
I would just say "hey, how about you (friend), me, and your other friend (the good one) look for a place for ourselves and not deal with this girl anymore?" Because neither of you know her and it would be better to avoid that whole messy situation.
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thisismyboat Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Unfortunately I tried that about two weeks ago, and the response from my friend was "let's wait it out, it seems like a nice place". :stare: If this keeps going on, I'm just going to say "Hey, I'm finding somewhere else to live. You guys are welcome to tag along, but I'm not giving any money to that tenant".
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nokari Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012  Professional Interface Designer
Then you tell her you guys have waited long enough it's time to find out who the landlord is yourselves and ask about the place. That would clear up the whole question of whether the tenant is trying to scam those two idiots or not.
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thisismyboat Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Sounds like a plan. If she keeps dodging the question, I'm outta here.
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Penhuin Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I didn't want to read your life story :stare:
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thisismyboat Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Sorry for taking away those minutes of your life you'll never get back. Here's a corgi in a lifejacket: [link]
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Kinrift Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012
This video.
It absolves all sins.
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Penhuin Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're forgiven... For now.
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