See mate, others are not obligated to respect what you respect or even share your opinion. You could tell them politely but that is the most you can do. Since this the big chink in your armour (argument) hence people will be trolling you if not calling you stupid or something of that nature.
Ah i see that bro, troll will always troll. Lucky we still have some people like you in this world. At least i was just try to be polite in replying and trying not to fall into the hole of hate cause of trolls.
It's fine to respect a culture, but that shouldn't lead to censorship.
What I mean is, there will be people with opposing views on everything, people wanting to express things (and people just getting stiff messed up), and we can't demand they be silent, simply because we don't agree.
You came in there, lecturing and telling him what he could and couldn't put in his art. I would have probably argued with you over pm, because I wouldn't want your censorship plastered all over my picture comments either.
I'm not from bali but bali is part of Indonesia, and indonesia has 33 provinces (approximately 17.000 islands) which every place has their own cultures. i am not from bali but Bali people is Indonesian People too, I'm from Java and I'm Indonesian too. So we are all still Indonesian although we are not in the same region. That is why our slogan is "Bhineka Tunggal Ika" (different but One).
This is what you get when you argue with New-Aging Hipsterfags. Frustration from ignorance. This is what I'd get when I'm around Wiccans and Neo-pagans, ignorance about how different those cultures are from each other, and of the mythologies that surrounds them. I hate it of how there are people that will willingly shun away the reality of things and make up their own. It's frustrating to also see idiots trying to cast 'spells' and 'prayers' in hopes of trying to do things that's already well within our own reaches of doing through technology and ingenuity.
It's really kills me sometimes. Did you know that there are people that think that the world is the center of the universe, 6000 years old, and does not acknowledge that the sun is actually a star and that the stars are other suns? Yeah, and on top of that, they all think that since "we can't know everything"- they assume that we know next to nothing right as they assume that they know everything through their religious practices. Retardation.
I personally believe that, people wouldn't mind about the art, but the way it replied is what makes him annoyed. but it had rather close the case for now, as I was only want to express what I feel. Some of our people really "radical" about cultural and religion things, so I want to avoid the conflict.
Stop getting worked up about a piece of art someone made, they have every right to make whatever art they want.
If I wanted to fucking make a painting of Adolf Hitler sodomizing Barong with a Jesus Christ dildo, while riding on the backs of a thousand naked black children, the goddamnit I have every right to make it, and who the hell are you to tell me that I'm wrong.
That's part of the beauty of art, you don't have to like it, and I can kind tell you that I don't give a fuck. So stop giving a fuck. No one cares that you got offended by something someone made. We're not here to fucking cater to your candy ass. Deal with it and move the fuck on.
Then tell me about "hello kitty Maori" case. People were complaining about it. Maybe you don't have culture to respect in your country but we totally trying to keep our culture over here. Like I said I don't mind about the art as it is not meant to make fun of something. I was talking about he towardly saying not care about my culture that he use.
But truly you are misleading the concept freedom of art. I thought we have some rules over here about not taking racial and discrimination issues. If you hate hitler, barong, or Jesus, you can express it in other way other than disrespecting it like that. Art does not have to be beautiful (true) but really if it has to offend people's right in abusive way?
It's not unethical to create offence. It's unethical to desecrate revered cultural items/symbols/etc, just to be '~~~edgy~~~' and '~~~cool~~~~' . It's not okay to fuck with other people's culture for selfish gain.
If there is actually meaning behind what you've done, that's different. But the piece in the OP is hardly an hard hitting, thoughtful piece.
True to a degree, but I feel that if we start drawing lines like that, then there's no real way of knowing where they'll stop. You can understand the potential effect of telling someone they can't make something offensive because they didn't do it the right way.
Iya, yang bikin sebelnya dia bilang ga peduli sm kultur kita. gw ga keberatan kalau dia bisa jelasin maksud konspenya, tp di sini dia cm blg gr2 topengnya bagus trs dia jiplak n pake. :s wah, anak da juga yg org Bali?
Coba aja cek komen2 lainnya deh, banyak yg ngelantur mengenai nilai seni. Komen aja kl mau, kita bela budaya bangsa.
oh lol forgot that we have to speak English over here. Well, u know what they said, the world's "respecting" aspect keeps getting lower and lower each day. Lucky we still live in a country with high pluralism. Though that some people are radical about religion over here, but i believe we still have better future for "respect".