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Y u no...? :(

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ToySkunk Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
So, the leather man came to uni yesterday, and as always, there was a massive scrum (unfortunate for me, since I was standing next to the suitcase containing the leather and pretty much got flattened) because bringing animal hides into a fashion design studio is like throwing meat into a shark pool. It's a great company, and you can order stuff by phone or online, but he tends to bring for us any end of line hides or slightly damaged hides to sell at a discount. I'm really not that interested in 'seconds', because I'm a fusspot and I've been using hides since second year (now it seems like all of my classmates want to do it) but he did have a few nice 'current line' samples, one of which I had already been looking at in the catalogue, and which I definitely wanted in my collection. It's a natural coloured rabbit fur plate, and I very carefully extracted it from the paws of my classmates (who also pawed slightly at my coat, it being furry, and them assuming that it was another sample from the leather man... even though it clearly had sleeves) and paid for it - I need a few more, but it was a discount and every little helps. I was sad to miss out on a Toscana lambskin - I'm convinced the classmate who bought that was just buying it to sleep on.

ANYWAY. I laid a pattern piece on the plate, and realised that the particular piece is ABOUT TWO CENTIMETRES TOO WIDE. And they only sell plates in one size. Which is three by four rabbit sized.
:icony-u-noplz: Y U NO FIT? Y U NOT FATTER, RABBITS?

Yes, I can buy more plates and sew them together. But MONEYS. :( I might rethink my pattern just a bit

It also makes me sad when people are excited to use leather and they don't know the first thing about it. Leather man said that sometimes people phone up from high end clothing companies and they honestly think that leather is sold in rolls, like fabric. :noes: Cow doesn't come on rolls!
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Exillior Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
What do you mean, cow doesn't come on rolls?! Cow-centipede... You mean, that's not how leather is made?
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GoGo-T-W Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012   Traditional Artist
You can buy leather in little strips and rectangles at craft stores. I've wanted to get little bits to make weird little steampunk goggles and junk with, but I'd never try to make a coat, heaven's no.

On "How It's Made" all the fur episodes are beaver pelts, those would definitely be big enough.
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:icontoyskunk:
ToySkunk Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
I've used leather quite a lot on my fashion course, but not something so small as a rabbit pelt - I'm glad they are available in plates, at least!
Beaver is a nice fur, but not easy to get hold of here in the UK (well... you can import it, but it's expensive). Rabbit fur fits with my collection more, too, unfortunately. :noes:
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:icongogo-t-w:
GoGo-T-W Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012   Traditional Artist
What is a "plate"?
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:icontoyskunk:
ToySkunk Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Professional General Artist
Multiple hides sewn together!
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GoGo-T-W Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012   Traditional Artist
Aha!
:pointandlaugh: even with more than one hide you still can't get it to fit?

I still love you because you're better than me.
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MurphysDinnerParty Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Damn.

I was kind of hoping there'd be some asshole complaining about the use of rabbit fur. :saddummy:
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:icontoyskunk:
ToySkunk Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
I am willing to bet that it will happen when I actually start uploading my designs to dA. =/
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MurphysDinnerParty Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
You'll have wackos, but I'm pretty sure people will be mostly understanding
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:icontoyskunk:
ToySkunk Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
I am also entering a design contest using other fur types - I won't actually be making anything with those furs, but if I'm lucky enough to win, my garment will be made for me. I am still a little shaky on the issue because it regards other fur animals that I don't eat and that I'm not used to using, even though I have spent weeks looking into and deliberating the fur origin; the competition revolves around humanely reared/sourced fur. In any case... I will maybe avoid putting too much of that stuff in my gallery. =/
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
They need to start breeding blue rabbits. :B
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ToySkunk Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
You can get... sorrrrrt of blue rabbits. You can get a lot of 'blue' furs, but it's a kind of greyish colour really. However, you could just dye them. Orange and purple are popular too. Purple seems a little difficult to design with to me. :lol:
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mori-miko Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student General Artist
Can you find a single skin of the same colour, cut it up and stitch it into places where you need extra, or will that compromise the durability?
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:icontoyskunk:
ToySkunk Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
Mine looks a hell of a lot nicer than that plate at least. :D
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:icontoyskunk:
ToySkunk Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
It probably would lose some of the 'flow' - it's a lot like this [link] only the spinal 'stripe' is even more distinct. So if I put cut pieces into places, I think the pattern will make it look a bit obvious. :( Should be okay to alter the pattern a bit though!
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mori-miko Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student General Artist
Hahaa well I'm glad you got a nicely patterned plate, luckily it's not too much smaller. Good luck with the new pattern and I look forward to seeing what you make with it.
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ToySkunk Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
Thanks! I'm not allowed to upload any of it online yet in case it gets stolen, apparently. :noes: Or we're advised not to. So it might have to wait until after graduate show. :saddummy:
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mori-miko Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student General Artist
That's fine :D well i wish you luck for the next few months :)
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CrimeRoyale Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional
The leather man?

What is this, some creepy urban legend??
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:icontoyskunk:
ToySkunk Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
No no, he's just a guy who works at the leather company who do discounts for our fashion design course. :lol:
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:iconcrimeroyale:
CrimeRoyale Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional
You can be honest with me. Has Leather man gotten someone you care about?
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:icontoyskunk:
ToySkunk Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
No, he's very nice! Just a nice guy with a suitcase full of dead cows, sheep and bunnies...
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:iconcrimeroyale:
CrimeRoyale Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional
TELL ME WHO HE'S HURT
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:icontoyskunk:
ToySkunk Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
HE... HE HURTS MY BANK ACCOUNT OFTEN?
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:iconprosaix:
prosaix Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
Grow your own or use a skunk.
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:icontoyskunk:
ToySkunk Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
I don't have that many skunks. And I want rabbit looking fur, not skunk fur. :noes: I like my skunks alive!
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prosaix Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2012
:iconhairfixplz:
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WeluDixon Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012   General Artist
Is skunk fur and hides a thing? :o
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:icontoyskunk:
ToySkunk Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
Yeah, it's not very popular in fashion (you see it occasionally) but it can be used. I don't think I'd be able to do it without thinking of my skunks. :lol:
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Penhuin Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't like the use of real fur in most cases, but since bunnies breed like bunnies I'll offer my sympathy... POOR YOU!
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:icontoyskunk:
ToySkunk Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
They're not wild, these ones - they're farmed, which I knew anyway, but can be assumed so because they were originally grey, and dyed to look wild colour (because apparently it's difficult to get real natural colour pelts to match up with symmetry and true colour in a plate :doh: They look authentically natural coloured though). In any case, I eat rabbit, soo..
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Penhuin Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
What does rabbit taste like anyway?
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:icontoyskunk:
ToySkunk Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
It's a very lean meat indeed, and I find it has a mildly sweet, gamey flavour. But not gamey as in venison at all. It's like... a mildly gamey chicken, I guess. When I have had it, it is reminiscent of eating chicken wings... mostly because there isn't a lot of flesh on a rabbit and when I cook it, it basically just gets chopped up, bones and all, and eaten off the bone. It's good!
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theleaveshaveeyes Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional Photographer
That sounds like frog legs.
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:icontoyskunk:
ToySkunk Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
Because there isn't much flesh?
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:icontheleaveshaveeyes:
theleaveshaveeyes Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Professional Photographer
Yes, and frog legs also taste a bit like chicken wings.
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WeluDixon Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012   General Artist
I want to eat that description!
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:icontoyskunk:
ToySkunk Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
It won't taste as good as actual rabbit! :iconomnomnomnomplz:
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Penhuin Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'll keep this in mind! Maybe it's like snake?
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:icontoyskunk:
ToySkunk Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
I have never eaten snake before! I take it you have?
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:iconpenhuin:
Penhuin Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have. It's interesting. Think of mixing chicken with something, fish I guess. Surprisingly good.
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:icontoyskunk:
ToySkunk Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
I imagine that kind of thing isn't so easy to get hold of in the UK. :(
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CindarellaPop Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Fur and leather are so Goddamn temperamental. Buckskin suede infuriates me but I need it.
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:icontoyskunk:
ToySkunk Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
These plates do thankfully come in a fairly regular size... I was just dumb when it came to making my pattern, I guess. :doh: It's easily fixed, it's a fairly 'oversized' cut on the garment anyway - it can stand to lose a little!
But some hides are very annoying. I have a little Toscana lambskin I've had for a couple of years now and I'm not even sure what to do with it. It's only about the size of a rabbit skin. The Toscana that the leatherman was selling were much bigger. I can't find a colour match for the one I've got. :( I'm not sure what to do with it now...

I've never used buckskin - what is infuriating about it, and what are you doing with it right now?
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CindarellaPop Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
It doesn't like to cut in straight lines, and since it's too thick to be sewn, holes need to be punched in it first, which sometimes is more trouble than it's worth. I'm just trying to make a little leather bag D:

It doesn't help that the stuff is so damn expensive. It's like 80$ for a single hide.
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:icontoyskunk:
ToySkunk Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
I bet you I could sew it with my machine - it can sew through tooling leather. If we could only work out a sensible trade, but it would probably be a fart on with us being in different countries - that and I wouldn't want to mess up your 80$ hide, or get it and discover that I couldn't sew it with the machine after all (though it has stitched two pieces of tooling leather before, and can do 12 layers of denim, 10 layers of army canvas, or (not that I've tried this, but I know the seller certainly did) a tin can... :lol:
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CindarellaPop Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Hehehe, I know there are sewing machines that can sew through the stuff nicely but I don't sew enough to justify the purchase of one, as it stands, the leather-hole-punch works ok, just slowly.
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ToySkunk Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
Mine was bloody expensive. :noes: I :heart: it though!
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CindarellaPop Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Maybe someday I'll cave and get a big ol' boss sewing machine. Right after I get a real food processor and a set of kitchen knives that can actually cut through stuff.
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ToySkunk Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
That always helps! :lol:
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