Eh, I wouldn't go as far as calling someone 'immature'. I think people just have different tolerances to how much nudity they can handle (even if it's for an art or fashion related project). I think it has a lot to do with what they were taught by their parents/friends and what not.
And I think with some younger kids, maybe they don't understand what is 'artsy' or not. I dunno.
YTcyberpunkFeatured By OwnerDec 13, 2012Hobbyist Traditional Artist
But that's the whole point of the "Mature" button. It means that a person must *be* mature in order to look at your picture. Immature people who can't handle nipples, swear words, blood, or politically incorrect humor are barred from Mature Content for that reason.
The picture is beautiful, but I can understand why it would be considered mature. Myself, I'm not ashamed of the female form and I do find it very beautiful, however there are many people out there who find it embarising. Myself, I see it as art, where as someone who is not an artist would just see two nipples. I would not think twice about showing these kind of photos to my 15 and 17 year old cousins, however their Mum might not be as thoughtful as me. I think basically the mature tag is there mainly to protect the people who are scared of a nipple being on show.
In my opinion nudity =/= mature. Breasts, contrary to what seems to be the popular belief, are not just a toy for dudes to fondle and jerk off to. They're just a part of the female anatomy. Their primary purpose is feeding babies. If guys can show their nipples and moobs in public, why can't gals? Sexist much? XD
Well this site is populated by a large amount of younger teenagers, and a good deal of kids not yet 13 (just like fanfiction.net though it's not supposed to be). It's perhaps not wise to show such an audience things like a see-through dress.
On the other hand....that is a really pretty dress.
I can understand not showing them pornography or things where the breasts are being sexualized [forgive me for my lack of a better term], but in this case, it's a fashion portrait, and the dress and body compliment each other and the setting. It's fine art, not something pornographic or inappropriate. To me, the human body does not became something only a mature audience can see until it crosses over that line of being inappropriate or pornographic.
True, the model isn't particularly posed in a suggestive way nor is the setting "sexy" so to speak, but it might not have to be. Children pick up pretty early on that female breasts and nipples are not things publicly shown, and it is bad to do so. They don't have to be taught, jut like they don't have to be taught that girls play with dolls and boys play with robots. The culture is so deeply ingrained that it's insinuated unconsciously, sometimes even against the personal belief of said adult role model. Kid's pick up on things like that very quickly and by the time they're old enough to access the internet, baring a breast is firmly sexual...It takes a few years for them to mature out of that mind frame. It's good that you can appreciate the human form for the artistic work that it is....it's just that a good fraction of the audience is too young to understand it that way.
Go check out the latest US version of "W". I bought mine from Barnes and Noble. I even said in my original post that this IS where I found it, but it's your prerogative to not believe me. I'm not a liar though.
Then you found something very strange for the US, since Cosmopolitan here has shields in front of it in most stores now.
Though, given that W magazine is not owned by nor affiliated with DA, and magazines are governed by different policies than websites catering to the 13+ demographic, it doesn't have much to do with your work being marked Mature or not.
Not only is it a bit immature, it's also sexist. Living in the US, sexism is still present, and the woman's body is always continuously being sexualized regardless... It's transcended through history and left a mark on today. Personally, I think your piece is beautiful and does not require a mature content filter , it's not sexual, nor is it inappropriate. It's natural, and quite simply, the human body.
Well that's an opinion you're entitled to, and thank you for that label. I find your problem with me having a problem with nudity being seen as mature instead of natural to be quite immature, so it looks like we're even here.
There is nothing mature about it in my opinion, nor sexual. It's all in the subjective view of the viewer who looks at it and decides to put a mature or sexual connotation to it.
I don't see women as any sort of sexual object darling. Just as certain people don't see a man's bare chest as sexual, not everyone see's the female chest that way either. Yet men can walk around just about anywhere with their shirt off [and I do see something very sexual in a man's chest] and not get a second glance for it. That sexuality in the female breast has been created by social constructs, which was part of the inspiration behind this topic. I was pointing out why I felt that this is immature, because it's sexist.
And you can keep trying to get under my skin by calling me pet and a liar, it wont change my opinion on this topic.
But that's just my point: Just because you don't see women a certain way doesn't change the fact that it is the norm to do so.
And please, darling, don't tell me that gay men can't recognise what is considered sexual in the opposite gender, even if it doesn't give them the tinglies.
"That sexuality in the female breast has been created by social constructs," WRONG. Not only is the human female breast inflated in such a way as to make it less easy for a newborn to suckle, simply because the inflation serves as a signal that the woman is young and healthy/well-fed; there are also nerves in the nipples that go straight to the same place in the brain as stimulations of the clitoris does.
Human female breasts are sexual. End of.
"And you can keep trying to get under my skin by calling me pet and a liar, it wont change my opinion on this topic." Keep trying? Anyway, your little 'darling' isn't any different, now is it?
No, I never said any of that actually. That was my bad for not being more clear.
To say that people don't have a sexual reaction to a large chest on a man is untrue as well. The fact that men can still walk around with their shirts off and women cannot is sexist. And I wont stop arguing with you, regardless of how rude or condescending you are to me.
Because Western culture sexualizes women's breasts, and American culture is furthermore very concerned with preventing underage children from being exposed to sexual stuff.
Reasonable people can disagree on whether the above is, well reasonable, but our laws are informed by our cultural mores, and since deviantArt is based in the United States, it has instituted its Mature Content policy so as not to run afoul of state and federal laws.
I would be more upset about it if it were an 18+ filter, but considering any ragamuffin can sign up to DeviantART and click through the mature filter, I wouldn't take it too seriously. It's more about adhering to site regulations than anything.