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Commission slavery

:iconindiron:
Indiron Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
So.. I was having commissions 50% off for the week and some guy wanted a weapon design. It took him 2 weeks to actually note me with what he needed. He was apparently from some RP website or whatever. He didnt pay the full 50% upfront, he just sent 10 bucks, from the total 25, so I was like bah mkay whatever. So I finished working on it, used the blueprint he provided me with etc and sent the final preview image with a watermark. Then he replies that he wants this thing changed, that thing changed, he talked with his colleges, with his boss and they want this and that changed. I was like lolwhat, sent him that revisions cost additional money and he was like: Dear sir we want a refund as we are not satisfied.
I told him to go back 200 years ago if he wants a slave..
What do you guys think?
Oh btw heres the link to the gun if anyone cares: [link]
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:iconshidaku:
Shidaku Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
If someone wants to make sure you got their concept right, they should notify the artist in advance that they want to see a "rough draft". If he didn't request to see one, well tough on him, he was paying you $10 fucking dollars.
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:iconbumsy:
Bumsy Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
I really like the gun, looks like a professional piece of concept art. You shouldn't have been paid peanuts for it, though.
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:iconindiron:
Indiron Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Thank you, well Ive been working in a few companies freelance over the last years, but I cant say that I'm really that experienced. Yet I lowered the prices to almost nothing because I just wanted to get some commissions going to fill up my DA profile with some examples. Learned my lesson now >.>
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Nagem1891 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
sounds like he was trying to get out of work himself. If he needed his bosses apporval on it I am pretty sure HE was supposed to design it himself
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KeyoGrlRipper Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
This would explain quite a bit actually. Who on earth expects revisions from a commission if they don't specify it beforehand? Also, if it is being used for some kind of other project, shouldn't there be another fee attached? Bah.
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Nagem1891 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I would think if they are planning to use it in anything they must give credit to OP for the design. A commission should not need revisions at all, people should say exactly what kind of thing they want and get whatever the OP does. I mean you can say you won't pay for it unless some things are adjusted but to pay for it and THEN demand revisions? This guy is crude
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:iconindiron:
Indiron Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
probably >.>
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allah-saurus Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
Yikes comparing a shit client to slavery... Maybe stop being so melodramatic and stop staring work before you receive the full deposit?
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:iconjjmyster22:
JJmyster22 Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
Hahahahahah he actually wants his money back? Seriously? I guess it'd be okay for him to be that demanding if he were paying you more, but seeing as he took two weeks to get to you and is complaining, that's just not cool.
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:iconindiron:
Indiron Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
yeah hes fucking crazy lol
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:iconjjmyster22:
JJmyster22 Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
:D Now now now let's not get mean here haha. But. Yeah, he does seem so. He here on DA?
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:iconindiron:
Indiron Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
lol yeah, but I dont wanna be a total retard and do naming n point fingers. >.>
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:iconjjmyster22:
JJmyster22 Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012
Damn, we'd have a lot of fun trolling
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:iconindiron:
Indiron Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
fck it, here it is
fierycheeze.deviantart.com
lol
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:iconjjmyster22:
JJmyster22 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012
I'll go on my troll account later

Did he end up paying you all though?
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:iconindiron:
Indiron Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
No lol he was like we are canceling this commission and after that he didn't reply cause I told him to jump into some fire :D
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DinDeen Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
" It took him 2 weeks to actually note me with what he needed. "

That was already a red flag, since someone who really values a commission will have the details ready ASAP. I hope you don't come across any jerks like him and his company again. And good on you for telling him to jump in a fire xD

His money back? Pfft. You already used time and effort for the fool; he can earn more money, you can't earn back time.
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:iconindiron:
Indiron Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Yeah true, changed my commission info for future retards to come rofl
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:iconspudfuzz:
Spudfuzz Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Dude. Fuck no. Charge $10 for something of that quality that again and I'll bitch slap you. :iconangrynoesplz:
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:iconni-xi:
NI-XI Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I canīt stop laught by the way you are an amazing artist :iconlvlvplz:
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:iconindiron:
Indiron Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
haha, thank you ^^
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:iconni-xi:
NI-XI Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
you are wellcome :3
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yaotl Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012
$25 for that? Seriously? Dude, I just asked my roomie how much he'd pay for that (since working with media is his bread and butter) and he's like "$175"? And you started work for $10?

Hells to the no. Keep the money, fuck them, and start charging more for your work.
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:iconindiron:
Indiron Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
X_X Yeah I will, thanks for the advice ^_^.
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:iconredmarlin:
redmarlin Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012
I'd pay $25 for it :shrug: Actually, I'd probably pay more if you asked for it, since that's pretty impressive. But I know what it's like to be screwed over by a customer.
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Kizziesama Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012
Honestly, I wouldn't have started anything if he couldn't even pay the full half up front :shrug: It's not like the total was even that high for him to really have trouble paying it. Don't give him any money back. You did your part of the job, revisions and all. He's just being a dick.
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claire43411 Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Nope! Don't give him his 10 bucks back!! You should tell him that if he wants it changed he can pay that other 10 bucks! Otherwise the money that he already pay was for the work that you already did. Explain to them that when people make a deal they pay the full price! Than and only than do they get the full service!! People these days! :P So dumb!
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:iconindiron:
Indiron Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
dont worry ^^ at the end i called him a dickhead and told him to jump into a fire lol
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:iconclaire43411:
claire43411 Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Lol!! Good job! What a weird guy! :P lol!
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:iconamalaazula:
AmalaAzula Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012   Digital Artist
Yeah, I hate people like that. Change your commission info, k?
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:iconindiron:
Indiron Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Yeah I will, I'll rewrite it completely.
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:iconanaliasunknown:
AnAliasUnknown Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012
While normally I would side with you, I think you should have mentioned on your commissions page on that rule. Unless it's there and I just missed it, that happens sometimes.
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:iconindiron:
Indiron Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I thought about writing it down before this thing happnd, but it seemed pretty much like common sense to me so I didnt, learned from my mistakes now however and will rewrite my commission info.
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:iconkoui:
Koui Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012   General Artist
this will make you feel better [link]


"I Jump for cash bitch"
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:iconspudfuzz:
Spudfuzz Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
LOL. :lmao:
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:iconkoui:
Koui Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012   General Artist
inoright?
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:iconindiron:
Indiron Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
rofl i actually went thru the whole thing and it paid off. feel much better now LOL. ty
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:iconkoui:
Koui Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012   General Artist
No problem X]

designers always have the issue of people looking for cheap labor,however there's a line and asking for tons of work for nothing is not only insulting but demeaning

if you're a professional you should be paid like one =]
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Alien-Piglet Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Woot! Gimme the gun! I'm killin sumthin today!
Seriously, you've been terribly mistreated. If they changed their mind about what they'd previously wanted, that's none of your concern, you've done the job required, wasted your time and efforts on their request. Time is money, so is work. I suggest telling them to stick their requests in the-place-we-won't-name-out-of-politeness.
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:iconwikidtron:
Wikidtron Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Professional Artist
It's pretty common for people to try and take advantage of working artists.

Keep the money, dump the customer, write out a detailed policy contract, and learn your lesson for next time.

That includes being STRICT about your policies, as soon as you let something slide people are going to think they can walk all over you. Insisting you are paid what you are worth shows confidence in your work, and will scare away people who don't take you seriously.
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:iconrequiemachina:
Requiemachina Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012
That gun is pretty sweet.

fuck the unsatisfiled customer. He obviously doesn't know shit about taste.
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:iconindiron:
Indiron Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I made it according to the blueprint he requested, took exactly same proportions and then they said the handle was too big and something about some accessories missing, i was like.. LOL AM I ACTUALLY READING THIS O_O completely shocked rofl.
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:iconaugmented-assassin:
Augmented-Assassin Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
On my first thought: that gun is seriously sweet I wish I could draw weaponry half as well as you.
Second: What a jerk
Third: maybe revise your commission information page (non-refundable deposit) [link] (the best written commission information page in existence)
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:iconindiron:
Indiron Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Yeah I will, that commission page is well thought of, thanks ;d
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:iconpuppy-dangerous:
puppy-dangerous Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
Lol refund? No. You earned that money. Sorry it wasn't exactly what he wanted, and considering he only paid $10 he should be happy to get ANYTHING. That money up front pays for your work, whether he likes it or not. He's pretty much asking a fast food joint to refund his burger after he ate it. Once he gets the art, he doesn't get a refund anymore. You're not WalMart, you can't resell it when it has been returned.

When it comes to the revisions, in his case, yeah, he doesn't need those for free. Generally, you should decide how far you will go before you stop doing revisions for free. My policy- I'll send you sketches and the unfinished linework, etc, for you to look at and I'll redraw that however many times I need to- but once it goes from 'sketch' to 'finishing' the revisions stop.

Let him leave negative feedback. All you have to do is comment on that with the explanation.
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LizanaBee Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012   Traditional Artist
I second this. ^
:)
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:iconmisterturtle:
MisterTurtle Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012
:iconwhipplz: Back to work! Get licking!
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Benjamin-Biddix Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:lol: that's fucked up.
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:iconmisterturtle:
MisterTurtle Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012
You don't know fucked up until I break out the tentacles. :horny:
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:iconladydeven:
LadyDeven Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Is there a line for the tentacles. :iconmybodyisreadyplz:
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