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As someone who falls under the LGBT umbrella, I don't think...

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Fly-gonz Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
But the writing on deviantArt gives us a bad image.

I'm not exactly gay (I'm bisexual)... but I'm sure gay people are NOT people who don't suffer every day and lead normal lives without kicking themselves. People like me AREN'T victims. On the inside, we are normal people! I mean, if we had a normal conversation, you wouldn't notice my sexual orientation. Sure, I feel uncomfortable with certain people, but it's not anywhere close to the level described on various pieces of "literature" on deviantArt.

For example:
What It Is Like To Be GayI feel so abandoned
Amidst the waking of a midnight dream
Locked, victim of a cave-in
The misty, loosened seams

The seams of my slowly dying life.

Vanishing, leaving with a blink, disappearing
Misunderstood, I find myself forgotten
After all this time, I find myself still hearing
The words of those who haunt me

All because I kissed a girl.

Walking upon the cobblestone paths
Never finding a soul with an ear
Unable to do the prejudiced wrath
That they, the unforgiving,
Have brought down upon me.

Please, won't anyone listen?

Listen, please! To our woeful cries
To the shouts of those you dub as condemned
Someday you'll finally see into our


Yes, I fight for these rights. Yes, I recognize people are bullied for these things. But please, please, don't be so heavy handed. We're not humans who became non-humans after some misadventure and are desperately trying to be humans again. We're humans, period.
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GoGo-T-W Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2012   Traditional Artist
If you were to read literature about everyday life, it's pretty boring (Our Town, anyone?). When you're writing about feelings, it's probably going to get pretty heavy-handed. Especially in something like poetry. That's not the way of life, it's the way of art. Art gets romantic sometimes.
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Espada-Kitsuki Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm not making gay people sound pitiful. I'm describing my life experience indirectly through this piece, and I do know people who went through this experience as well.

I live in San Francisco, and I'm lucky to be here because a lot of gay people are here too and SF doesn't bother us much. Only some people know that I'm am bisexual and/or gay... I'm not sure exactly which is the case.

deviantART is a place for art. It's a place to express yourself. You also didn't need to make this public, you realise, although I really don't mind much because it doesn't affect me. I use dA to write about my experiences, and you really do not know what I've gone through.

I'll tell you this, though... when I was in kindergarten, I had no idea that I was bisexual. So when I kissed a girl who was one of my good friends without any idea that it was "wrong" in the eyes of the kids at my school, a large gang of them followed me around. They hit me and kicked me repeatedly. My legs bled a lot, and I kept coming home with bruises. When my mother asked me where I got them, I said I tripped, because I was afraid what SHE would think. I still have a scar on my ankle that hasn't faded for years... although God knows how it managed to stay there.

I live in a Christian, to be exact, Roman-Catholic family. I was raised thinking gay people are bad and protesting strongly against them in my home, and what do you think I felt when I figured out I was gay, myself? To this day, my parents, aunts, and grandparents still tell me that to be gay is utterly wrong; my uncles don't care that much. My family still have no idea I am actually bisexual, and so they tell me it is bad. Right in front of me. It's like a slap to my face.

My aunt said just recently, "Being gay isn't right. But to be bisexual--that's the worst of them."

... I am bisexual. And right there, my favourite aunt, the one I love the most, is telling me to my face that it's wrong to be what I am. It's wrong, and if I were bisexual, she'd disown me. Did anyone ever tell you that before?

Really. This isn't exactly meant to stir up a lot of pity. It's meant to describe how some people can feel about this situation. I really, really don't think you'd understand my own experience.

And I'm not saying that gays not human. That is an assumption, and I think you forgot to read the line that states directly "We are human". I also wrote this in first person, if you noticed.

And I get the feeling that you posted this after seeing just my poetry. I really get that feeling, and it hurts to see that you, of all people, who claim to be bisexual like me, do not go out there and help other people to cope with their life experiences. Really.
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vi0letdreamer Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Student Photographer
everyone feels different about certain issues. just because you don't feel that way doesn't mean no one else does.
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3wyl Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Eh, goes both ways, that.
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MisterKhact Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
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neurotype Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
What bothers me more is most of this writing isnt good enough to help us understand what the author is talking about.

I got bullied a bit. I also had friends. Real life friends, which you cannot substitute the internet for :l
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Fly-gonz Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
You rejected me from CRLiterature. Bad person.

On a brighter note, I have written some other stuff that isn't avant-garde essays or emo poetry.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It's not a lit showcase group, lots of people get rejected. If i did it, though, i assume I didn't put in the friendly note recommending other groups.

How is an essay avant garde?
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Fly-gonz Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
I mean essays on avant-garde topics.

Try these two?
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neurotype Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Those aren't essays :O
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Fly-gonz Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
/fail... I think I deleted them.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:saddummy:
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Fly-gonz Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
Or this was some other "elite" and "selective" literature group. Don't remember.

Oh well, can't be creative and experimental without having a few bad pieces once in a while.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Pff, cliterature doesn't have an application process. :P
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humanknotgirl Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
I feel like some of the people in this thread are disagreeing just to disagree. If the OP, for instance, took the side of the people he's talking about, the phrase "Harden the Fuck Up" would be used relentlessly, and most of us know it.

I actually side with the OP. Considering I was bullied throughout my school life; had an abusive lover who berated me every day for two years about being trans (as well as being prone to violence); and a father who would rather kick me out but won't because his wife will divorce him; I can say that I did harden the fuck up, because I realized part of the problem was my doing. I realized that I was letting things get to me when I should have just focused on my life and my decisions, so I finally started to live life the way I wanted to. I got past the bullying, got out of the abusive relationship, and finally started to deal with the conflicts I had with my father.

Is everything just fine now? Of course not; there are still challenges I'm facing and challenges I will continue to face, but that's life. However, I'll be damned if I'm going to just sit there and wallow in my own sorrows, because I did enough of that in the past. The OP is right in regards to how people need to learn to deal with a world that is not nice. It's a world that does not care about you and will go out of its way to fuck you up royally. But if you let it destroy you, then it's your doing.

Unless something legitimately horrifying happens to you (getting beaten, raped, made homeless, killed, or something along those lines), you have no room to complain about your life.
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ssensory Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012   Writer
Is everyone else here forgetting the T (transgender) ???

Anyways, like others said not everyone's experiences are the same as yours.

I don't see too much of a need for gay poems either, but people can do what they want. Some people use dA as an outlet. Just let people be and you'll find that life is less annoying.

Also, what I think there needs to be more of regarding LGBT on here is topics about Transgender people. Only positive things though. They still aren't too well-known, and they need to be accepted. But I guess we should follow baby steps and wait until the LGB part of LGBT is more so accepted.

Transgender people are hated more so than gays and bisexuals and whateversexuals, just saying.
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Fly-gonz Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
Well, at least you see my (badly-argued) point. Some people just read the topic sentence and press BASH.
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ssensory Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012   Writer
Yeah, I know how that is. Haha.

The only need I see for gay poetry is for an outlet (but keep it to yourself unless you feel like it MUST be up for people to see) or pro-gay stuff. That's all. But people can do whatever. Free will and all.
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Benjamin-Biddix Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:unimpressed: you are joking right? .....if not you have a lot to learn about the world. :)
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Fly-gonz Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
I probably do. =)
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Princess-Amy Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I don't even consider myself as part of the LGBT although everyone tells me i am ^^;
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ssensory Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012   Writer
Why does everyone say you are? That's weird, I guess.
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Princess-Amy Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Apparently as trans im suppose d to identify under there, but i refuse to!
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ssensory Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012   Writer
Oh, okay. You are technically in that group, but you don have to be a part of the community. Not all are.
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Princess-Amy Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Good because i consider myself separate. I generally have no assosiation with others.
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ssensory Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012   Writer
Do as you want, I suppose. :nod: as you are.
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Princess-Amy Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Indeed :)
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ssensory Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012   Writer
:la:
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Your experiences aren't everyone's. Considering my friend has been bullied through almost his entire life, I'm sure he would argue your point that life was "fine" for him.
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Fly-gonz Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
ffs, I'm not even arguing that. Yes, a few sentences were badly worded, I agree.

But I'm sure he would like to someone to pity him, tell him how his life sucks over and over again with a Twilight-esque voice, as most pieces on deviantArt do.
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Right, thats why he got beaten up by groups of men. I mean, how dare he be upset about that.

Learn to grow up.
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Fly-gonz Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
Look, I know you care about your friend. I recognize it's a problem.

I'm not saying the world is fair. I'm not saying that having other people pitying you doesn't help. What helps is being treated like a normal person.
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
No, pity is important. Why, because if people put themselves in other peoples shoes, things can change.

What about racism, you think that just changed because people thought, nah black skin is all right.
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Fly-gonz Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
I guess I'm not expressing myself very well. I'm re-reading some of my posts and it looks like I need to sleep on this issue.

I guess you win, but you may reasonably expect a poem or an essay, if I still believe in it tomorrow morning.
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Believe that not caring your your fellow human isn't hard, showing compassion isn't hard. Its not about holding people on a pedal stool. My friends did not deserve the treatment they got, and for what? Who they may have sex with? Who they love?

It wasn't that long ago that mixed "race" couples were treated like the scum of the earth. For what? Their skin colour? Place of birth?

If you think its not right to be compassionate to people who have had worse experiences than yourself, perhaps you should learn to walk a mile in others shoes.
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ReptillianSP2011 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Student General Artist
If you think its not right to be compassionate to people who have had worse experiences than yourself, perhaps you should learn to walk a mile in others shoes.

-Trust me, that ain't convince certain amount of people. Trying to ask people to be compassionate when they simply don't give a fuck is led up to fail, anyway. It's fails mostly for those who are incapable of compassion for others. I'm just saying.
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Fly-gonz Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
Plus I feel it's not compassion that they're writing about. It's a different feeling, but like I've already said. Point belongs to literature.
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Fly-gonz Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
Well I guess.

Maybe my point belongs in the literary and philosophical realms, but not here.

If you look at poems like, "This Place Rumor'd to Have Been Sodom" and you look at the poems on deviantArt, it's rather shocking.
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ReptillianSP2011 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Student General Artist
I am presumed to be a homosexual myself, but I don't find it hard to pretend to fit in. You wouldn't figure me out as someone who's not interested into anyone until you get to know me long enough.
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Espada-Kitsuki Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
... But you haven't gone through my experiences. I'm the author of the poem. Please let me be, because you weren't beat up in kindergarten for kissing a girl and not knowing it was "wrong". I write for a small, specific group of friends like me. It doesn't necessarily apply to you, so please try to understand.
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ReptillianSP2011 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Student General Artist
I'll have you know that I'm nowhere near a sympathetic person and I am callous in nature. Yes, I know it may not apply to me and I am a guy, but I find the presumption that kissing a girl at kindergarten is "wrong" sort of silly.
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Espada-Kitsuki Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Unfortunately, they who persecuted me did not understand that at all. Thank you for taking your time to try to understand what I wrote, though.
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ReptillianSP2011 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Student General Artist
Well yeah, that's your problem. Alright, no problem.
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MurphysDinnerParty Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh good, you already did the linking to the artist for us.

Okay, as much as I dislike self-pitying parties that deviantART hosts, sometimes people feel the need to express it through literature and art. That's why art is named as a form of self-expression. It's on her page, she is doing her thing, why should it bother you? And again, why can't people note others about this instead of making it a public issue?

Now you've brought unneeded attention to her poem. Not my taste, but not my business.
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Xyires Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Just because you are fine it doesn't mean other people are fine too. Some people have it bad and some have it fine, not like that makes everything alright but I'm just saying. Also, *Abstract-Mindser makes a good point.
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Fly-gonz Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
Not the point I was making.

"Yes, I recognize people are bullied for these things. But please, please, don't be so heavy handed. We're not humans who became non-humans after some misadventure and are desperately trying to be humans again. We're humans, period."

I'm trying to say, don't pity us. We're not 3rd world children.
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TeenyTinyTentacles Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012   General Artist
But some people within the LGBT community are like 3rd World Children. Some of these people don't just go through a "misadventure" they go through a traumatizing life change and they need pity to survive. They need the kindness of others in order to live in a semi-happy environment. It's not just a problem with bullying. As a member of the LGBT community yourself, you should be aware that people get killed over their orientation. Not only that but if they're dependents and young, there is the potential of being verbally, physically, and SEXUALLY abused. If not that, they could be disowned and kicked out of their house with no place to live and no money. Walking down the street could be dangerous as a (typically man) could grab a homosexual woman an "fuck her straight" aka RAPE. They can also do it to a homosexual man with the excuse that the man likes whatever cock is shoved up his ass.

It's not JUST simple bullying. It's a plethora of dangers that could end up with the person starving on a street, just like a 3rd world child. It shocks me that you don't realize that bullying is not the only problem.
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divine--apathia Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
So, because you haven't experienced it, it doesn't happen? :lmao:
You do realize LGBT people still are killed in western nations, right?
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Fly-gonz Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
And you do realize that more people are killed by vending machines. Not that I don't recognize there isn't, but I'm just saying it's not like a suicidal analogue of "OMG I'm GOING TO LOVE YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE A SHINY WHITE VAMPIRE" after replacing "SHINY WHITE VAMPIRE" with "someone of the same gender" sort of thing.
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divine--apathia Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
My point is, just because you have had a cushy ride doesn't mean all people have, and you, a fellow LGBT, should be compassionate. It's rather disgusting that we rip each other apart than help each other out.
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