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November 19, 2012
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No favorites through a block is a silly system.

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VacuityMechanica Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Student Artist
I've noticed recently that dA has an interesting mechanic in play, and it absolutely confounds me - dA won't let you favorite someones work if they've added you to their block list.

While I understand the reason they thought this would be a good idea, I cannot understand how not a one of them thought about how much a bad idea it was.

A few days back I was browsing some art, and I found one I liked a bit. So I added it to my favorites. Simple enough, but I noticed the artists blurb about it contain a historical mistake. Being a fan of history I thought it would be best if I corrected this.

So I made a little comment, non-offensive, non-uptight, and rather simply stated. Nothing to get upset over.

The artist might've thought I didn't know what I was on about seeing as he didn't pay much attention to what I said (and appeared not to be upset by the comment), so I informed him that, although that's the historical perception in popular culture, the actual history is far different.

He decided he didn't like 'my history' and I thought to myself fair enough. If he wants to be stubborn and not learn from a 'the more you know' moment, then he's free to, so I didn't bother to reply to him.

Que to a few days later I was browsing along the same keywords that lead me to the aforementioned piece of work, and I found another, new piece, that I liked. I added it to my favorites as well, but this time I got a message that popped up that said it couldn't be added to my favorites.

That's when I realized it was the same artist as before and he's added me to his block list after he replied that he as 'tired of my history'.

How is this a good system to have? Blocking someone is fine, but stopping people from favoring their works? His work was good, and I wanted to add it too my favorites (which I use as imagination fuel for when I write/world build), but no-dice - now there's a nice piece of work I'm going to lose in an endless sea of other works and he's down a favorite, an indicator that people like his drawings.

I understand doing this to someone who's harassing or insulting him through favorite folder names, but for every single off-the-bat block?

Am I the only one who sees the problems of this current system?
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Shidaku Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012
The system doesn't make much sense to me either. I shouldn't have to like you, and you shouldn't have to like me, in order for me to like your art(or the reverse). I know some artists who are complete assholes, but do good work.

But this whole website makes it too easy for people to turn into uptight twats who think they're more spechul snowflakes.
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dorkface4 Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012
They blocked you. They don't want you to favour their artwork. How is that flawed?
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VacuityMechanica Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012  Student Artist
The block system is suppose to stop bullying. Adding someone's work to your favorites is hardly bullying.

And he blocked me because he didn't want to continue the conversation we were having.
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dorkface4 Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012
Where does it say the block system is to prevent bullying? It doesn't matter why he blocked you, he wants no contact with you. The blocks system is for preventing people from contacting you. No contact includes favourites.
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CherylBlanche Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012
It can be. People can make folders within favs called "shitty art" or etc, and add pieces to it. It's been done before.
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Sapphire-Ashesx Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
I find it annoying how I can't favorite art from people who have blocked me, if I like the art but I can understand how they'd think it would be a good idea. I would hate to be fav-bombed by somebody I had blocked, especially if it were an ex-friend.

Oh stop whining to the Help Desk about everything. Spamming them with your constant art theft reports and complaints about how you think what they're doing is wrong. Calm down. There will always be art thieves and the best thing to do is to ignore them. I only care if somebody steals a friends art. :v You should let people stand up for themselves.

((If anybody is wondering what I'm talking about with art thieves and reports, see here: [link] like what *prosaix thumb nailed.))
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VacuityMechanica Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012  Student Artist
>There will always be art thieves and the best thing to do is to ignore them.

And if they're profiting? And if the owner of the site doesn't frequent, or use, dA? I don't think ignoring a crime is the best was to solve it.

You're suppose to go to the help desk for help. What crazy world does a help desk not help?
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Sapphire-Ashesx Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012
:facepalm: Spamming it isn't helping either.
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rockstar1009 Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
This is probably why: [link] :B
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VacuityMechanica Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Student Artist
I understand that as a reason why, but I'm fairly certain that's suppose to be covered under reporting people for harassment. If dA handled it's reporting tickets with any form of competency then they wouldn't need to do this. This current system is a redundancy based on incompetence.
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TB-Samurai Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Your post made me think of this: [link]
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Requiemachina Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
*reads*

tl;dr

Ooooh! Your account name interests me...
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zodiacgal Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Welp, it's cause the artist wants nothing to do with you.

On the other hand, if you're about to fav something and you've NEVER MET THIS PERSON EVER BEFORE and they blocked you for no reason/blocking in advance, then I'd be annoyed.
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MasterPlanner Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
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LoboSabio Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
Makes complete sense to me. They blocked you. Clearly, they want you blocked from everything, including their favs. How hard is it to grasp that logic?
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Pinkmitten Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
No it's not.
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Sabhira Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Blocking is a mechanism in which the blocked is completely prevented from interacting with the blocker. Faving is a form of interaction, and can be abused in various ways. The system is working as intended.
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prosaix Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
Oops ignore that comment, I missed the right reply button :P
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prosaix Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
That's irrelevant!
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prosaix Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
You really like stirring shit up don't you?





Was anime supposed to so historically correct?
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:iconvacuitymechanica:
VacuityMechanica Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Student Artist
I got banned because I reported a lot of art thieves (with proof). dA banned me reporting over it, which still baffles the shit out of me. You notice that was submitted in 2010, so it's not an indicator of anything to do with these events.

I never said the artwork had to be historically correct, I never said anything was suppose to be historically correct.

I corrected a mistake the artist had made in his artists comment. That's all I said I didn't. Stop trying to put words and motives in my mouth.

Why are you trying to be so combative over this?
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bohobella Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
People who get banned from reporting things are banned because they spam the Help Desk with things that they were already told were invalid reports, or otherwise were wasting admin time.
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VacuityMechanica Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Student Artist
You're not the first one to explain this to me and you're not the last one I'm going to tell that I did nothing of the kind. I only reported what I could prove was stolen.
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bohobella Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
If that's so, contact the help desk!

DeviantART will never ban someone from reporting things just because they were TOO helpful or something of the like. Maybe there was a mixup.
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MasterPlanner Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
*prosaix is this forum's most combative and prolific troll, lurk moar.
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prosaix Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
:cries: You're just saying that because I said you spam.
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MasterPlanner Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
You spam too! :iconmadnoesplz:
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prosaix Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
That's irrelevant!
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:iconmasterplanner:
MasterPlanner Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
So you admit it, you spamming troll, you! :shakefish:
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:iconprosaix:
prosaix Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
Stop making this about me! It's about you!
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Totally-dead Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
You idiot.
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prosaix Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
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P-Ish Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012   Writer
The only issue I'm seeing with this picture is that it makes me really want ice cream.
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VacuityMechanica Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Student Artist
And?

Is there a point to this? Or are you just looking to make me angry in some way?
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Arvellas Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
That's just what *prosaix does.
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:iconvacuitymechanica:
VacuityMechanica Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Student Artist
You'd have thought someone who goes around hassling people on the forums to the extent that he becomes known on the forums for doing it would've been banned very quickly.
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Arvellas Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
Oh, he's been banned before, but he always manages to get unbanned. I think he's actually an escaped video game character, and periodically respawns when killed.
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CherylBlanche Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012
Thanks for the laugh. x)
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prosaix Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
Why would I want too make you angry? If a picture of yourself makes you angry I think I should be the least of your worries. :)
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VacuityMechanica Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Student Artist
You've been deliberately combative with everything you've written. It's entirely believable that you're trying to make me angry. Now, with your attempts to textually make me angry, you're posting a picture of me, and you jump on my reaction to all you've said and trying to make it out that I'm angry at myself.

There you go, cherrypicking again.

I wonder if you're trying to be this much of a douche, or if it just comes naturally to you. And the worst kind of forum user outside sexual deviants.

Until you're actually going to stop being said douchebag, I'm not going to engage you any further.
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prosaix Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
Try harder, troll. :pat:
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bohobella Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
Take for example, artistic nudes. I come across a lot of largely young women who are tired of getting creepy, perverted messages on their art. It would be a smack in the face if they blocked some perv only for him to go faving her entire gallery. Inb4 don't post nudes on the internet - I'm talking about art here, not porn and crotch shots.

Alternatively, another problem that arises is fav abuse. Between fav bombing for pageviews, or repeatedly faving and unfaving work for the sole reason of pissing someone off, it's both been done.

And finally, blocking someone is the only way you as an artist can remove your artwork from someone's favorites (aside from deleting it all together). This is an incredibly useful tool in another popular troll situation where some jerk will make a collection called "worst art on deviantart" or something to that effect, and fav everything they see.

:shrug: Personally, I just wouldn't want to support an artist who'd block me like you were blocked so unfairly.
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Penhuin Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This is clearly all your fault.
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VacuityMechanica Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Student Artist
:(
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:iconpenhuin:
Penhuin Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Admit it.
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VacuityMechanica Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Student Artist
U maek mi cry wif ur alligatorts.

;_;

Y u do tis?
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Penhuin Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I speak English
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nokari Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Professional Interface Designer
That's not recent at all. That's been in place for years...
It's not a bad idea, it just sucks for the person being blocked, and you can't have everything you want. But hey, if you were blocked, obviously you did something that made the other person not want to have any contact with you whatsoever, which includes not having you fave their stuff. Faving isn't a right, it's a privilege. If you can't do it, there's always your browser's bookmarking or right-clicking and saving.
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VacuityMechanica Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Student Artist
I corrected a historical mistake. How dare I!

It a horrible idea to have that in place. Blocking the users from commenting is a fine idea, stopping them from favorite works defeats the purpose of the site; a public gallery where people can track artists and collect art. Plus submit art, naturally.
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nokari Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Professional Interface Designer
Naw, you're mistake was in thinking it was somehow a new thing, like it a bad decision made by someone new or something.

It is not a horrible idea, you're just angry that you can't get what you want. Blocking is meant to block everything, not let you continue to push messages into the person's inbox of you collecting their art for whatever unknown, possibly bad purposes. And if you think "but I really like their work and wouldn't do anything bad with it", then 1) you should have thought of that before you gave that person a reason to block you and 2) just because you might not do anything bad doesn't mean others don't.

Obviously you can still see the art and bookmark it with your browser, which isn't much different than faving to begin with. So... deal with it.
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