To be perfectly honest, I'm grateful to bullies. They made me who I am today. I was told to be a rat, but it was always against the few morals I have, so I never did it. I got bullied a lot, mentally and physically, but as a result, I am a good fighter and a strong, independent person who doesn't need to stand behind anybody. I prefer fighting them on my own. This, of course, made me seem like the bully to adults, so they didn't like me much, either. Independence and free thinking are the enemies of the police state. They are pacifying people and making them complacent little automatons. Fragile, easily broken by any sort of oppression. If you break their ego they act like you killed their dog. It's ridicules, but it's the sad reality of the modern world. The government saw people were unhappy, so they began pacifying them and telling them everything will be okay and they will have everything they have ever wanted if they only report all suspicious activity or opposing opinion under the name "bullying". They are preventing the seed of revolution from taking sprout. If things continue like this, we will have a scenario much like that in the book 1984. Big brother is watching. So by all meas, go back to bed, America. Big brother's protecting eye will be forever on you, making things safe from "bullies" and "terrorists", making the bad guys go away. sleep tight.
I agree with you (im only 15 so im right in the midst of all this) i swear everyone in my school (well almost everyone) is a little crybaby attention seeker, i feel everyone hates me but i just put up with it, try to be friends with people, apparently everything gets better in uni when people actually care about the same things you do, also the amount of people in my school that are so bad at school, like most people dont behave in school and get under the expected level, i just manage to get C's in some classes (which i should be getting, any higher means im above my expected level) and i get a few B's and A's, but each generation is getting dumber and dumber, misbehave in school, think its all about popularity, be bitches, and in each class over half of the class is like that, you get so sick of it when you cant learn because of everyone being dickheads, sure you get put down but what the hell you have your own life and you should live it and not worry about those people that dont care about you.
Never been bullied myself, cuz I never piss anyone off, but rather make friends with em... but, I've noticed violence and trolling (through outsmarting, usually verbally) has worked well. Bullying happens through physicality and verbal/mental, so why not beat em at both eh? I agree though, people who take it out on themselves kind of annoy me, cuz that is by no means solving the problem. Self Pity is revolting actually. Gotta get that Self Confidence Up is my advice.
... I regret the lengths I had to go to to stop myself being bullied. And I think you have some fairly massive holes in your opinion. Do a little research into child sociology and developmental psychology. You may find it enlightening.
No not really. explain how standing up and proper discipline are considered holes. of course my method for dealing doesn't work for everyone. that's not even the point. How would you regret anything? You ended the bullying, unless you came out with some sort of life long injury. Even then, wouldn't you rather people leave you alone and respect you or have them walk all over you for the rest of your life? You still stood up for yourself. That says a lot.
and I would take every "study" with a grain of salt since it's pushing everyone to take an anti-discipline approach to parenting. Kids aren't little special snowflakes. You don't need to over think this crap. It's not rocket science. I'm not supporting those crazy parents who spank their kids over being late for the bus either. The only time it needs to stop is when the kid reaches an older more mature age where it would have a negative impact. But at that point he/she should be able to behave. People used to understand this.
Clearly kids these days have next to no respect for anything or anybody. I know this when I hear 9 year olds screaming "cunt faggot" or telling me to "get the fuck out of my way" in the hallways. Why? because parents would sooner give them an iphone to shut them up over discipline, that's why. because teachers hands are tied. Teachers fear the student. but go ahead. tell me I'm wrong. It's all opinion, this doesn't matter all that much. I'm merely ranting
The holes are mostly in generalisation of isolated phenomenon. IE really rude kids. Next would be misunderstanding what I mean by studies. I do not mean some pseudo-scientific journalistic fuckwit like supernanny doing television experiments, I mean real developmental psychologists and child sociologists who know their subjects rather than what they think their subjects should be.
I dislocated a kid`s shoulder, dragged him 30 feet scraping half the skin off his left leg and left him bleeding in front of 20 other kids as a humiliation exercise. Oh and his nose was spewing enough that it could have been dangerous if he hadn`t gotten help in time. This was because he was pretending to force my friend`s head into dog shit. A bit of a moral grey area as far as anti-bullying techniques go, no? Admittedly no-one ever troubled me again in that school, but I still feel like that was a terror tactic rather than just a way of getting someone to leave you alone.
The fact that I got away with this also ought to tell you a little about how clueless teachers are in some cases.
I wasn't talking about just rude kids, I'm talking about all sorts of bullies. That included physical. because right after verbal abuse bully types it goes to the fighting types. Since I'm sure you noticed that talking rarely works on some.
Indeed, but that sounds like you went overboard. a wee bit overboard. Not to judge it though, I've been close to the same. I think it gets the best of you, the anger and frustration. But honestly man, sometimes you have to do it. You have to let it out. These kids won't stop until they get a clue. Just like how a kid will touch a stove even when you say "don't it's hot". They have to learn. It wasn't a terror act, you're blaming yourself at that point. I'm sure the school respected you in some ways for it.
and believe it or not, teachers won't do anything usually because the bully is already well known to them. They probably knew the bastard had it coming sooner than later, and you gave it to him. That's what happens when teachers aren't allowed to show any form of discipline. I'm guessing he was a verbal/semi-physical bully? Teachers can't do shit about that. Those types slip around the rules easily. At least he learned to stop.
I think the way people handle bullying is rather idiotic. Instead of sitting there all day being filmed and telling everybody bullies are evil why not fucking help the kids who actually deal with bullying on a day to day basis? Have them visit therapists. Encourage them to be strong. Fucking any actual help will do.
I've never been bullied,but I don't like it. Once we went somewhere for the weekend with my class and there was that one guy from another class making fun of my classmate. I found him really annoying,so I just walked up to him and punch him in the face. He didn't say a thing to me or her for the rest of the trip. That's the way to deal with them. I regret nothing.
I have heard that apparently what causes some/most/something bullies to become how they are is when they get extremely self-entitled from lack of discipline as well. Not that it should be a surprise, but I think people just don't know how to parent anymore.
Out all my entire school years, I say I was the tougher one, and I wasn't even that tough. People called me names, okay, big deal, shrug it off. They almost (physically) beat me to the ground, I nailed them in the face the best I could (I wasn't even a hard puncher). What I see in example of what people are doing to counterfeit bullying is just really fucking shameful. People need grit or they'll just piss their pants when they are confronted with deadlines and all that jazz.
I love the whole ' oh if you just stand up to kids, it'll stop shit'. I've punched my bullies so hard, that they've fallen done. Didn't do fucking crap. All that fucking happened was a few weeks later I was pushed down two flights of stairs.
Why didn't you try a different school instead? At that point my fucks to give would have been zero. I had a bully thrown out because he was harassing me endlessly. I didn't bother to "fight" him. I just went to the principal. Twas the end for him. It's not as hard as some would think, getting the school involved.
No private school had a place for me, since there was less than a year for me to go off to highschool (1-7 = primary school 8-12 high school, here) and the only state school I was in the catchment for has a very bad reputation. As in, cops are called, regularly, bad.
We went to the teachers, deputy principal, principal, and then to Cath-ed (the organization that runs this private school.)
Would you like to tell me again how my situation could be fixed?
all I'm saying is, at least you took a stand. I'm saying that NOT taking a stand is what people are saying to kids now. Going to an anonymous website won't work. Just as you point out that my form of dealing doesn't work all the time, goes the same with website bullshit. That's what I was trying to point out. I've never seen it work, just like I doubt it would have worked in your case. But people here are acting like this is all new, and having complete and total surveillance is the answer. You have to watch what you say and what you do because anyone can now label YOU as the bully. Cyberbullying takes the cake for that one.
Not every child needs spanking. You know what spanking did to me? It just made me hate my stepmother. And even more detrimentally, it made me hate my current stepmother, before I realized she was an amazing mother. It taught me absolutely nothing. I don't even remember what I was being punished for. Some of the only things I remember being punished for was for being a picky eater and slightly bad hygiene (including putting too much toothpaste on the brush).
And may I just say my current stepmother catered to my needs and never laid a hand on any of her children and they all turned out to be independent people who deal with their own problems to the best of their abilities. Heaven forbid a child talk to their parents about their problems.
It's all about pedagogical judgement from the parental side and the ability to control their emotions, which sadly is a rare case. >_> I have on several occasions thought about a sort of driver's license for spanking children. My mother used to get fits of anger over different things and administer some sort of physical abuse (abuse, because I didn't misbehave on purpose, didn't get a chance to explain myself and never really understood what she was getting so mad for). On the positive side it taught me not to push people too far but on the negative side - I hated her and still do.
So I think it is a sometimes necessary thing put it puts a lot of responsibility on the parents that few seem to be able to handle properly. I mean some of the younger kids I've met have absolutely no grasp on the fact that there can be very severe consequences to pissing people off and think that they can get away with anything, like throwing snowballs at random passerbys. Now I'm a normal person so yeah, I won't slam your face in the concrete and beat the everliving snot out of you but there are people who WOULD and you can't tell before it's too late. And in such cases a certain amount of correction before they go and get themselves hurt for real is necessary imho.