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September 23, 2012
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People wishing for old styled cartoons and people who aren't doing a damn thing about it

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CLXcool Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I have two things that have been bothering the hell out of me for awhile now. And now…. it has come to my attention that I have decided to stop keeping this quiet and unleash this into the world of deviantart. Alright, two topics, both of which have to do with animation. First off…people “wishing to go back to the golden age”. As an artist, this one…is one hell of a pain for me. Whenever I hear someone say “I wish cartoons today were like the ones in the 40’s” I get infuriated real easily for obvious reasons.
Now…a few months ago, I was finishing watching Tex Avery’s Red hot Riding hood from the legendary animation director Tex Avery. I noticed a bunch of comments like this on Youtube, Deviantart, as well as a few animation forums. “I wish cartoons nowadays were like the ones in the 30’s, 40’s, and 90’s. Most cartoons nowadays suck”. Let me start by saying this…Why? Why do you want to go back to the 30’s, 40’s or even 90’s for that matter? Most of the jokes that were made in the cartoons that were made in those three different time periods are OUTDATED by today’s standards. Sure, not all cartoons are great. There have been a few good ones while there have been a few that are left to me unsaid to the public. Seriously though, the jokes made back in those time periods of animation were jokes made for the humor of the time period as a social commentary. If you try to make a joke similar to the golden age (like a short around WWII attacking on Hitler) it would be considered way outdated. Ralph Bakshi even had this quote to sum this up :iconclapplz:

"When I hear 2D animators today talking about acting in hand-drawn cartoons, I ask, what kind of acting? Are you talking about the old fashioned acting that animators have always done? You know… the hand on the hip, finger-pointing, broad action, lots of overlapping action, screeching to a halt- all that turn-of-the-century old-fashioned mime stuff. Is that what you’re talking about? Well, forget about it. If you’re gonna compete with computer animation, you better go all out and do something that’s totally different. Call it “new acting”. Blow the computer out of the water."

In other words, if you desire to go back to the 30’s, 40’s, and 90’s forget about it. Create something new rather than something that has been done to death a million times. The last thing the world needs is another “The Wacky World Of Tex Avery”. Which is something that was created to be labeled as a ”homage”, when in reality the show itself has nothing to do with the creator’s trademarks of humor. Whats worst, it doesn’t help the fact that WWOTA was originally planned out as a show that had Tex’s original characters(like Droopy, wolf and red, and screwy squirrel). But was later scrapped due to DIC not getting the rights to the characters. Alright enough of the golden age complaining…now to get onto the second and last reason.

People who always complain about animation but aren’t willing to do anything about it. I know a few professional animators who have to deal with this crap. It just makes me more annoyed then usual because most of the complaints are coming from animators who have been in the business of animation for a long time. :iconsaixberserkplz:

Now, my advice to all the artists and animators out there who are likely to throw the towel on giving up, don’t fucking give up on yourself and your talent just because the industry of animation for both television and theatrical animation is shot to hell.
The studios aren’t the ones who are going to “change” the industry. Its you, the artist who is willing to take a risk for something that hasn’t done before for animation. Don’t call it quits already, you guys need to stop moping and do something for yourselves with your talent. We need to have more animators who are willing to take chances like Ralph Bakshi and John Krifalusi. Do they know what they can do with the technology that is advanced? You can make a short film within 2 weeks! Go out there and make something to show those bums how animation is supposed to be done! If you cant do it alone, get a bunch of your friends who can draw and get together on the weekends and make a short film to get your name and talent out into the world.

If your still on an artist’s block on giving up. Watch this speech that Ralph Bakshi made at the comic con, so listen to this well so you and your friends can do something about it. If you don’t do nothing for yourself expect complaining the hell out of anyone. Then get the hell out of animation for that matter. Listen to Ralph Bakshi’s advice and Danny Antouncci’s 4 c’s to making cartoons [link] and [link]
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AsheWednesday Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Actually, I disagree completely. Take Chuck Jones' work, for example: the comedic timing, wit and facial expressions translate clearly to audiences of today (as compared to certain sterilized-for-your-convenience kids shows these days, such as the rushed sequels/animations Disney constantly churns out), the characters are designed flawlessly and globally recognizable (as compared to most anime characters, which lack facial differentiation and are buried under layers of over-detailed clothing) and the knowledge of physics and flow of animation are superior by far (as compared to some of these Flash-animated cartoons that are more focused on producing junk for advertisers' money than they are on producing a genuine form of art).

Of course, there are some modern cartoons that are noteworthy: My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is exquisitely animated and the characters are well-developed, Adventure Time never fails to be funny, entertaining and push the envelope... However, these shows are rare gems in what I can only describe as an animation dark age, where tight budgets and a technology pissing contest have taken priority over the art of manual animation.
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CLXcool Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The works of Chuck Jones still live up today for today’s audiences, just ask one person out there who’s have heard of the Looney tunes cartoons and you’re bound to hear one of them being a Chuck Jones cartoon. Chuck started doing cartoons similar to Disney’s style, but he later found his own style in cartooning in his later years at Warner Bros animation. Disney used to meant something for people before they began to rush out those sequels to their popular films(at least it ended when John Lassester got in charge of Disney’s animation, with the exception of the Tinkerbell movies). Most of the anime that is spewed out is just cashing in on the profits(with pokemon and anything that follow routes of that being proof) while others can prove that the Japanese can explore areas that haven’t been explored with animation and blow away an audience.

Flash animation can be good, but its mostly used in bad cases. Johnny test being an example on doing flash animation to the point where it looks like an online webcartoon done by a lazy artist who couldn’t draw to save his or her own life. Friendship is magic is a good show. Lauren Faust made sure of it that she would make a good cartoon for both kids and adults(that even includes the fathers really). The characters are well developed and have the personality of each girl you’d likely come across by in a lifetime. Adventure time(while I may have mixed feelings for) is great but it just feels like a complete acid trip that was almost rejected by Mad. Not saying its bad, but its not my cup of tea either. But it’s a weird show that is good none of the less. True, we are heading towards a dark age with tv animation. Shows that are animated that are good for both audiences (kid and adult) are hard to come by. Most of them either get made or rejected by executives who only think of it as a one-audience thing. Or worst, it gets canceled and not renewed for a second season. I know that has happened with both Sym Bionic titan and Motorcity. Actions like these just give animation fans the impression that people don’t care about
good animation, and good animation is expensive. While animation that doesn’t look good and is very crappy(shows like Johnny test and Problem Solverz) are not so expensive to make.
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CrimeRoyale Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Professional
... Who in the world says they want to go back to cartoons of the 40's, of all times??

The closest I've seen to that is people who like classic Looney Tunes and would prefer watching those to whatever newer tripe they have.
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CLXcool Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The type of people who want the cartoons back in the 40s are the people who are WAY too nostalgic over animation.

All the attempts Ive seen to mimic the Looney tunes and golden age cartoons are downright stinkers. I couldn't stand tiny toons, I couldn't get into it. Dont even get me started on the wacky world of tex avery, that right there is the big insult there.
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FIRSTxAIDxKIT Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Professional Interface Designer
Some people just like art styles that look like more effort was put into them. :shrug:
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CLXcool Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thats the nostalgic nutcases for ya.
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FIRSTxAIDxKIT Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2012  Professional Interface Designer
Nutcases for expressing an opinion that's different than yours?
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CLXcool Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
No. Nutcases that do nothing but complain about how much cartoons suck nowadays and wish they(the studios) would make cartoons like the ones in the 90's.
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FIRSTxAIDxKIT Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2012  Professional Interface Designer
So they're nutcases for expressing opinions that are different than yours.

How bout instead of sitting here bitching about other people's opinions, why don't you go work on your art. :pat:
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Dwig Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2012
I've read your entire post, you have some decent points but I want you to elaborate a certain point for me.

"Most of the jokes that were made in the cartoons that were made in those three different time periods are OUTDATED by today’s standards."

How so? The pacing? The timing? Some of the gags are indeed dated when it comes to what they're poking fun at but I feel that 90's cartoons are modern enough. I'd like you to tell me how something like 2 Stupid Dogs is "dated".

Please note that I'm not advocating that people get by and simply copy older cartoons with no spin of their own, a lot of these great cartoons were made with insane budgets or were made to be cheap and easy to animate (1920's black and white stuff). To simply copy it would result in something that would feel like a cheap fake.

We have some 90's-wannabe stuff like Regular Show and Adventure Time and neither have caused me to chuckle.
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CLXcool Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
When it comes to the 90's, I am talking about how people are trying to "recreate" something that has been done to death numerous of times. It doesn't matter about the pacing, timing, and whatnot. I'm saying that if you try to make a cartoon set in 1930 or 1940, your not going to get a whole lot people who get the joke. There is no reason to do something that has been done to death. Anything can be modern, the cartoons of the past were "modern" but are now gems of the past since the culture of the times have changed.

In other words(to quote from Ralph Bakshi) "Why do you need another Terrytoons, with a cat chasing a mouse, in 1956?". There's no reason to create something new with stuff that has been done over and over. I suggest to the young artists out there to do something new rather than mimic something that has been done before.

Each cartoon has a different budget on who is working on it. There are times you can tell where the effort is put in or not. DIC is a example on making cartoons on a cheap budget, and mostly relying on the foreigners to do the work for you. Since most of their cartoons have mistakes all over the place its not even hard to miss them.

Makes you wonder how shows like Regular show and Adventure time would have done if they were created in the 90's
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Dwig Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012
If Regular Show and Adventure Time were created in the 90's they'd do alright, but not as well.

They're both somewhat immature imitations of 90's cartoons in my book.
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CLXcool Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ive always thought Regular show was going for the 80's route. Since it almost feels like they were trying to go for that direction. With the arcade games and whatnot.

Adventure time(to me) feels like a very insane imitation of the trippy insane cartoons(like yellow submarine).
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Mad-Hatter-1955 Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
He's right. Now although hollywood is gone all stupid you CAN make a difference. Continue working through that artist block, visualize that final product of a good cartoon. Think up a good original story, work on your artwork, keep on going!
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CLXcool Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
At least someone can read this well.
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Mad-Hatter-1955 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:)
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TheNecco Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2012  Student General Artist
Yeah, stand up for the CARTOONS man! Not important things like real rights or anything
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CLXcool Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Your not getting the point on what I am saying here.
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GMan313 Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2012
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Pinkmitten Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2012
Wild Grinders has superb animation.
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CLXcool Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
What the heck is Wild grinders?
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Pinkmitten Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2012
You don't want to find out. :lmao:
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CLXcool Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Its way too tude for me thanks.
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Ebonsong Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2012
If people want old-style comics then obviously there's a demand. You either try to market to their wishes, or you do your own thing and let it be.

I personally like simple and kind-hearted stories, regardless of how many times they've been done before. Like fairytales, the real delight is in how the artist/storyteller tells them. I hope that makes sense.^^
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CLXcool Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I know that the comics in Europe have cartoony styled artwork. There isn't a whole lot of it in America though, there are a few. But not a lot.
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MaryYana Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2012   Traditional Artist
You just wasted many minutes of your life.
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CLXcool Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
No I did not. Your just saying that because you are too lazy to read something useful to stop bickering about the art industry being in a slammer.
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MaryYana Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2012   Traditional Artist
Whatever :iconlazebraplz:
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Calstor Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
This isn't useful to everyone. :|
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CLXcool Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It is, your just not seeing it right.
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Calstor Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
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andrewk Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2012
Why use 'The World of Tex Avery' as an example of someone trying to make a 40's cartoon in today's generation? That was a HORRIBLE example of that style! If you used an example like, say, Animaniacs or Pinky and the Brain (which no one appears to ever state when crying their argument, for some reason), then I would back up on that paragraph. Also, I myself aspire to create wacky cartoons too, but I am not ever thinking "What could Chuck Jones do, or Tex Avery do, in this situation?" My last short kind of had that feel to it, and my next one is expected to have that even more. I am STILL going to expect comments like "Wow you're doing just what the Looney Tunes did!", which I understand and will tolerate by will not agree on. I am drawing and animating how I want to do it, and trying to improve.

The second point, I DO agree with. How do online commentators think their bashing makes actual, contracted, working animators feel? I hate to think of what the likes of Eric Goldberg or Glen Keane would think of the first ever show I worked on in my life: a 2006, poorly-animated Flash Nickelodeon show that is now off the air (yes, I went there! The work we made turned out to be awful, and that's not the artists' fault, but now we have to live with that on our life memories and resume. Thank you, studio!)! I am always afraid to tell professionals who draw ON PAPER what I did, because I do get comments like, "oh well, you're THAT kind of 'animator'! HUH HUUH!" Dude, have you SEEN some of the work on my reel that I had control over myself?! I wish everyone would simply respect that most studios will never be half as good as Disney or DreamWorks and be completely unbiased! I am currently still doing cartoons only if I have control over the visual development, and I hope to work for a major title in the future, but at the rate the industry is going, I do not know when.
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CLXcool Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You forgot Wacky in the title. I used that as an example on how it insults on being a "homage" to the golden age. It didnt even get tex's humor right. The characters were just copy and paste of things that have been done to death numerous of times, and everything was just the same thing over and over again and nothing new. Tex wouldn't be proud of this abomination. I am in the process of writing a short film. I dont even ask myself those questions. Since both Tex and Chuck aren't with us anymore, and are long gone. The fact that those comments still go on annoys me. Everytime I watch Moobeard the cow pirate on youtube, I always see those types of comments. And I thought having a style similar to Spumco would annoy the hell out of Kyle.


Complaints get you nowhere. The people who complain about industry of animation aren't getting themselves anywhere. They think it works, however it isnt. There are numerous groups like "Bring back Tiny Toons" or "Bring back the GOOD Cartoon Network". Do you think studios would pay attention to stuff like this? In reality, they wont. However, they(the people who cant stop bitching about how bad the animation industry is) think it would work. If you didnt like working on that poorly animated flash show(which I have no idea what it is) then dont mention it around anyone who has worked for places like Disney or Warner Bros at them. I should see that reel of yours before I comment on that. Just keep doing what you do best, draw. Draw like you have never done before. Explore subjects on things that you never drawn before and unleash your creativity. At this point, we cant even predict the future on whats going to happen in the movie industry. The only thing we can do to see if anything improves is to play the waiting game.
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Sapphire-Ashesx Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2012
-Actually reads it- Pretty much this. People living in the past should stay in the past and stop belly-aching about the present. This is pretty much my biggest pet peeve.
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CLXcool Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Same here.
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Sapphire-Ashesx Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2012
Yeah, I'm not reading that text wall.
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LOVEintheSNOW Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2012  Hobbyist
:noes: Well, I love some cartoons on today... like Futurama.
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darkanddefiant Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2012
another reading assignment?

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Livington-Guy Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2012
I will give you the benefit of doubt i realise for long now.

Most of the 30's and 40's theatrical cartoons was inspired by radios shows, silent films, vaudeville and celebrities who was upon this. Sure, some are brillant and well done but overall it's not this shorts i will ever see again and being more into the shorts subjects series which can appeal my mind. Not every studios did great. Lantz is a sub-par studio because of cost. Terrytoons is saved by Jim Tyer's animation and have a huge fanbase who find most Disney stuffs pueril. Famous is a nostalgia piece for someone because of the Harvey's package but few have seen the peaks of their catalog (I heard that Stanchfield's Terrytoonmarks the spot of 40's Famous Best.). As you notice it, yeah i'm a classic cartoons fan but i can figure what is good and what not.

I can remark you i don't longer give a shot about animation overall since it's being too much overatted online tough i admit, they have their own merits. Almost 80% of animations materials (Even the theatrical shorts) seems dated and are lost in translation. It's not always a good sign to see the original Looney Tunes cartoons when it's only related to the majors characters and forget most one-shots even the brillants spots.

It's not true that most today's cartoons shows sucks. It's mostly do to my own age and mind. I seen too much promisings shows which evaporated all potentials through the times i seen them. From 10 new shows in air, it's only 1 or none i will watch. And it's because i have no longer time to watch TV anymore except for old reruns.
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Redfoxbennaton Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I also personally don't care either about what old people think either.
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PrairieLily Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I believe, largely, the complaint isn't with the animation itself, but with the actual writing of the Cartoons.

Yes, things "back then" were made up of a lot of social commentaries, but that's much better than today's cartoons. Aside from a few Adult targeted cartoons (And even they have this same problem), the issue is within' the sheer stupidity of the humor and the "plot" flow. Most of the cartoons that are made in recent years are just ADD fuel where nothing makes an ounce of sense and it's all just slapstick humor without any clever basis.
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PurpleAmharicCoffee Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2012
Animation is becoming "cheapened" by Flash these days, anyway.
Animation can be cheap, fast, but not great; cheap, great but not fast; or fast, great, but not cheap.

Also, I'll give you a friendly grammar tip: '30s, '40s, '90s. The apostrophe goes where the numbers are omitted. It is an easy mistake to make, indeed.
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CLXcool Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
True. But not all flash animated shows are bad. There are a few good examples(Superjail, Friendship is magic, Frog in a suit, some of Mondomedia's webtoons, Homestar Runner, and etc). While other times its rushed and you can tell it was rushed just by looking at the quality of the animation. Johnny Test is an example on what happens when you do flash terrible and cheap.

Whoops. I'll keep that in mind for future reference regarding on numbers. At least nobody questioned me on why only these three years have been picked over a whole decade of years of the animation processing.
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andrewk Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2012
Johnny Test was made in Flash because something happened to the budget and time constraints, which is a shame. The first eps of that show were hand-drawn and looked at least tolerable.
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PurpleAmharicCoffee Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2012
Indeed, some people use Flash very well.
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kawaii-cookies Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2012  Student General Artist
old styled cartoons, huh, i wounder who's style in inspired by old cartoons?? :noes:

oh yeah ME! :evillaugh:
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Allycat2121 Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
WELL,LET ME TELL YOU GUYS A THING OR TWO!!!! IF IT WASN'T FOR THE OLDER CARTOONS THERE WOULDN'T BE WHAT WE HAVE TODAY!!!! SO, WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THE OLDER CARTOONS. IT'S A HUGE PART OF ANIMATION HISTORY!!!! DON'T YOU SEE!!! I FOR ONE,LOVE ALL OF THE RETRO CARTOONS AND IT INSPIRES ME!!!! RETRO CARTOONS SHALL FOREVER BE IN OUR HEARTS!!!!
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PrairieLily Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Not sure if broken caps lock button or just stupid..?
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Erysne Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2012
[link] I think this is relevant to your post.
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andrewk Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2012
Why are so many people here complaining about the entry's length!? I read it!
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