Actually, I disagree completely. Take Chuck Jones' work, for example: the comedic timing, wit and facial expressions translate clearly to audiences of today (as compared to certain sterilized-for-your-convenience kids shows these days, such as the rushed sequels/animations Disney constantly churns out), the characters are designed flawlessly and globally recognizable (as compared to most anime characters, which lack facial differentiation and are buried under layers of over-detailed clothing) and the knowledge of physics and flow of animation are superior by far (as compared to some of these Flash-animated cartoons that are more focused on producing junk for advertisers' money than they are on producing a genuine form of art).
Of course, there are some modern cartoons that are noteworthy: My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is exquisitely animated and the characters are well-developed, Adventure Time never fails to be funny, entertaining and push the envelope... However, these shows are rare gems in what I can only describe as an animation dark age, where tight budgets and a technology pissing contest have taken priority over the art of manual animation.
The works of Chuck Jones still live up today for today’s audiences, just ask one person out there who’s have heard of the Looney tunes cartoons and you’re bound to hear one of them being a Chuck Jones cartoon. Chuck started doing cartoons similar to Disney’s style, but he later found his own style in cartooning in his later years at Warner Bros animation. Disney used to meant something for people before they began to rush out those sequels to their popular films(at least it ended when John Lassester got in charge of Disney’s animation, with the exception of the Tinkerbell movies). Most of the anime that is spewed out is just cashing in on the profits(with pokemon and anything that follow routes of that being proof) while others can prove that the Japanese can explore areas that haven’t been explored with animation and blow away an audience.
Flash animation can be good, but its mostly used in bad cases. Johnny test being an example on doing flash animation to the point where it looks like an online webcartoon done by a lazy artist who couldn’t draw to save his or her own life. Friendship is magic is a good show. Lauren Faust made sure of it that she would make a good cartoon for both kids and adults(that even includes the fathers really). The characters are well developed and have the personality of each girl you’d likely come across by in a lifetime. Adventure time(while I may have mixed feelings for) is great but it just feels like a complete acid trip that was almost rejected by Mad. Not saying its bad, but its not my cup of tea either. But it’s a weird show that is good none of the less. True, we are heading towards a dark age with tv animation. Shows that are animated that are good for both audiences (kid and adult) are hard to come by. Most of them either get made or rejected by executives who only think of it as a one-audience thing. Or worst, it gets canceled and not renewed for a second season. I know that has happened with both Sym Bionic titan and Motorcity. Actions like these just give animation fans the impression that people don’t care about good animation, and good animation is expensive. While animation that doesn’t look good and is very crappy(shows like Johnny test and Problem Solverz) are not so expensive to make.
The type of people who want the cartoons back in the 40s are the people who are WAY too nostalgic over animation.
All the attempts Ive seen to mimic the Looney tunes and golden age cartoons are downright stinkers. I couldn't stand tiny toons, I couldn't get into it. Dont even get me started on the wacky world of tex avery, that right there is the big insult there.
I've read your entire post, you have some decent points but I want you to elaborate a certain point for me.
"Most of the jokes that were made in the cartoons that were made in those three different time periods are OUTDATED by today’s standards."
How so? The pacing? The timing? Some of the gags are indeed dated when it comes to what they're poking fun at but I feel that 90's cartoons are modern enough. I'd like you to tell me how something like 2 Stupid Dogs is "dated".
Please note that I'm not advocating that people get by and simply copy older cartoons with no spin of their own, a lot of these great cartoons were made with insane budgets or were made to be cheap and easy to animate (1920's black and white stuff). To simply copy it would result in something that would feel like a cheap fake.
We have some 90's-wannabe stuff like Regular Show and Adventure Time and neither have caused me to chuckle.
When it comes to the 90's, I am talking about how people are trying to "recreate" something that has been done to death numerous of times. It doesn't matter about the pacing, timing, and whatnot. I'm saying that if you try to make a cartoon set in 1930 or 1940, your not going to get a whole lot people who get the joke. There is no reason to do something that has been done to death. Anything can be modern, the cartoons of the past were "modern" but are now gems of the past since the culture of the times have changed.
In other words(to quote from Ralph Bakshi) "Why do you need another Terrytoons, with a cat chasing a mouse, in 1956?". There's no reason to create something new with stuff that has been done over and over. I suggest to the young artists out there to do something new rather than mimic something that has been done before.
Each cartoon has a different budget on who is working on it. There are times you can tell where the effort is put in or not. DIC is a example on making cartoons on a cheap budget, and mostly relying on the foreigners to do the work for you. Since most of their cartoons have mistakes all over the place its not even hard to miss them.
Makes you wonder how shows like Regular show and Adventure time would have done if they were created in the 90's
Mad-Hatter-1955Featured By OwnerSep 25, 2012Hobbyist General Artist
He's right. Now although hollywood is gone all stupid you CAN make a difference. Continue working through that artist block, visualize that final product of a good cartoon. Think up a good original story, work on your artwork, keep on going!
If people want old-style comics then obviously there's a demand. You either try to market to their wishes, or you do your own thing and let it be.
I personally like simple and kind-hearted stories, regardless of how many times they've been done before. Like fairytales, the real delight is in how the artist/storyteller tells them. I hope that makes sense.^^
Why use 'The World of Tex Avery' as an example of someone trying to make a 40's cartoon in today's generation? That was a HORRIBLE example of that style! If you used an example like, say, Animaniacs or Pinky and the Brain (which no one appears to ever state when crying their argument, for some reason), then I would back up on that paragraph. Also, I myself aspire to create wacky cartoons too, but I am not ever thinking "What could Chuck Jones do, or Tex Avery do, in this situation?" My last short kind of had that feel to it, and my next one is expected to have that even more. I am STILL going to expect comments like "Wow you're doing just what the Looney Tunes did!", which I understand and will tolerate by will not agree on. I am drawing and animating how I want to do it, and trying to improve.
The second point, I DO agree with. How do online commentators think their bashing makes actual, contracted, working animators feel? I hate to think of what the likes of Eric Goldberg or Glen Keane would think of the first ever show I worked on in my life: a 2006, poorly-animated Flash Nickelodeon show that is now off the air (yes, I went there! The work we made turned out to be awful, and that's not the artists' fault, but now we have to live with that on our life memories and resume. Thank you, studio!)! I am always afraid to tell professionals who draw ON PAPER what I did, because I do get comments like, "oh well, you're THAT kind of 'animator'! HUH HUUH!" Dude, have you SEEN some of the work on my reel that I had control over myself?! I wish everyone would simply respect that most studios will never be half as good as Disney or DreamWorks and be completely unbiased! I am currently still doing cartoons only if I have control over the visual development, and I hope to work for a major title in the future, but at the rate the industry is going, I do not know when.
You forgot Wacky in the title. I used that as an example on how it insults on being a "homage" to the golden age. It didnt even get tex's humor right. The characters were just copy and paste of things that have been done to death numerous of times, and everything was just the same thing over and over again and nothing new. Tex wouldn't be proud of this abomination. I am in the process of writing a short film. I dont even ask myself those questions. Since both Tex and Chuck aren't with us anymore, and are long gone. The fact that those comments still go on annoys me. Everytime I watch Moobeard the cow pirate on youtube, I always see those types of comments. And I thought having a style similar to Spumco would annoy the hell out of Kyle.
Complaints get you nowhere. The people who complain about industry of animation aren't getting themselves anywhere. They think it works, however it isnt. There are numerous groups like "Bring back Tiny Toons" or "Bring back the GOOD Cartoon Network". Do you think studios would pay attention to stuff like this? In reality, they wont. However, they(the people who cant stop bitching about how bad the animation industry is) think it would work. If you didnt like working on that poorly animated flash show(which I have no idea what it is) then dont mention it around anyone who has worked for places like Disney or Warner Bros at them. I should see that reel of yours before I comment on that. Just keep doing what you do best, draw. Draw like you have never done before. Explore subjects on things that you never drawn before and unleash your creativity. At this point, we cant even predict the future on whats going to happen in the movie industry. The only thing we can do to see if anything improves is to play the waiting game.
I will give you the benefit of doubt i realise for long now.
Most of the 30's and 40's theatrical cartoons was inspired by radios shows, silent films, vaudeville and celebrities who was upon this. Sure, some are brillant and well done but overall it's not this shorts i will ever see again and being more into the shorts subjects series which can appeal my mind. Not every studios did great. Lantz is a sub-par studio because of cost. Terrytoons is saved by Jim Tyer's animation and have a huge fanbase who find most Disney stuffs pueril. Famous is a nostalgia piece for someone because of the Harvey's package but few have seen the peaks of their catalog (I heard that Stanchfield's Terrytoonmarks the spot of 40's Famous Best.). As you notice it, yeah i'm a classic cartoons fan but i can figure what is good and what not.
I can remark you i don't longer give a shot about animation overall since it's being too much overatted online tough i admit, they have their own merits. Almost 80% of animations materials (Even the theatrical shorts) seems dated and are lost in translation. It's not always a good sign to see the original Looney Tunes cartoons when it's only related to the majors characters and forget most one-shots even the brillants spots.
It's not true that most today's cartoons shows sucks. It's mostly do to my own age and mind. I seen too much promisings shows which evaporated all potentials through the times i seen them. From 10 new shows in air, it's only 1 or none i will watch. And it's because i have no longer time to watch TV anymore except for old reruns.
I believe, largely, the complaint isn't with the animation itself, but with the actual writing of the Cartoons.
Yes, things "back then" were made up of a lot of social commentaries, but that's much better than today's cartoons. Aside from a few Adult targeted cartoons (And even they have this same problem), the issue is within' the sheer stupidity of the humor and the "plot" flow. Most of the cartoons that are made in recent years are just ADD fuel where nothing makes an ounce of sense and it's all just slapstick humor without any clever basis.
True. But not all flash animated shows are bad. There are a few good examples(Superjail, Friendship is magic, Frog in a suit, some of Mondomedia's webtoons, Homestar Runner, and etc). While other times its rushed and you can tell it was rushed just by looking at the quality of the animation. Johnny Test is an example on what happens when you do flash terrible and cheap.
Whoops. I'll keep that in mind for future reference regarding on numbers. At least nobody questioned me on why only these three years have been picked over a whole decade of years of the animation processing.
WELL,LET ME TELL YOU GUYS A THING OR TWO!!!! IF IT WASN'T FOR THE OLDER CARTOONS THERE WOULDN'T BE WHAT WE HAVE TODAY!!!! SO, WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THE OLDER CARTOONS. IT'S A HUGE PART OF ANIMATION HISTORY!!!! DON'T YOU SEE!!! I FOR ONE,LOVE ALL OF THE RETRO CARTOONS AND IT INSPIRES ME!!!! RETRO CARTOONS SHALL FOREVER BE IN OUR HEARTS!!!!