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MGillustrations Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012   Traditional Artist
I'm no professional photographer by any means so I'm not looking for a DSLR.

I'm in the market for a new camera as my current one, a Canon Powershot, has taken to eating batteries like candy. The features I'm most concerned about are macro and lowlight. The former I need because I run an Etsy shop and sell jewelry so I need to be able to have clear close ups. The lowlight is more for personal use, so I need an "every day" camera, so to speak.

I have looked at cameras in stores and online but alas to say I'm dumb in the head on some numbers.

Basically what I'm asking are for camera suggestions based on the features I've mentioned, a point-and-shoot. (good zoom would be nice too) I have been looking at the Nikon COOLPIX line but when reviews are so varied and I can't always get my hands on one personally to play with it myself it's hard to make that big a decision.

Thanks ahead of time!
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secondclaw Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013
Good low light performance in a non-SLR is based on three things (in general):
1 - Bright lens throughout the zoom range. The smaller the F-number the more light the lens collects, therefore a good photo can be taken in a dimmer and dimmer light. For example, SX110IS has following range: 2.8 - 4.3, meaning that at wide angle it takes in approximately twice as much light as at tele. Best lenses actually keep their F-number at 2.8 and below throughout the entire range of operation. Basically the smaller the number the greater amount of light the lens picks up.
2 - Sensor size in relation to its megapixel count. Each pixel in the sensor is powered in order to sense light falling on it. In dimmer light, the pixel needs more power. As more power is fed to the pixel it begins to interfere with other pixels, thereby introducing noise. If pixels are farther apart there is less interference, but if they're packed close together more noise is produced. So a 35mm sensor with 21mpx (Canon 5D Mk 2) will have a better low light performance than a 22mm sensor with 24mpx (i.e. Sony Nex 7) simply due to physics.
3 - Internal gyroscope mechanism, or IS, however different company calls it. Best ones allow for great hand-hold low-light performance (this doesn't do much if you shoot on tripod).

Of course advances in digital tech, sensors, processing and noise subtraction algorithms can change things a bit.

I recently played with a Fuji X10, with an excellent lens at F2.0 - 2.8, image stabilizer, and pretty decent macro. And it can take RAW photos, which is important for low-light, since RAW captures more data from the sensor than the eye can see, and during post-processing some detail may be brought in. I may actually buy it as a backup to my DSLR.
If you want a really good zoom, keep in mind that its actually pretty difficult for a lens to pass a lot of light at telephoto, and lenses of this type get to be more expensive, and would be hard to find in a P/S combination.

I would suggest going to www.dpreview.com and read reviews of their lenses. They cover most of the aspects you're interested in.
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Dylan40 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I'm relatively new to photography myself. Right now I have a Fujifilm Finepix S4250. So far its pretty good on battery usage meaning it doesn't eat through them so bad. I'm still learning about my camera and right now I love it. The only issue I have with it if anything at this point in time is the fact that the timer on it isn't customizable or anything just have the 10 second timer and the 2 second timer and thats it.

Hearing about some of these other cameras probably will go check them out myself and see how they are. May try to go get me another camera someday.
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MGillustrations Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012   Traditional Artist
I owned a Fujifilm Finepix before I had my Canon Powershot and personally I did not like it. I'll agree the battery life's good but I guess it has to be if it runs on 4 of them, but the shutter speed was horrid. A lot of photos I took even of still life or plants on a non-windy day could come out blurred just because I breathed. The Powershot does have a customizeable timer as well as letting you choose how many shots you want it to take and the video quality is definitely better. (I took a home video with the Fujifilm and a concert video with the Canon and the latter had better sound and wasn't as grainy even in low light, the trouble was one of the microphones is where you could easily cover it with a finger)

Only reason I'm looking to switch to possibly Nikon is I've heard many of theirs have very nice lowlight capabilities whereas mine doesn't and it ruins even some outdoor photos with the grain. Both Canon and Nikon are good brands, it's really a matter of what you're looking to get out of it.
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Dylan40 Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
I'll keep that in mind. Because I haven't touched or messed with Canon or Nikon much. On the other hand your right on the video capadibitly with Fujifilm finepix. Theres room for improvement but I haven't had to many problems with blurring though.
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hedwards Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013
That's the first time I've ever heard of somebody wanting to switch from Canon to Nikon because of noise levels.

I'm using the Canon PowerShot sx40 HS, and the noise levels are pretty impressive. You can get a new one for about $300. If you don't need the zoom, there's a similar model with a shorter zoom lens for a bit less.

I've been using it for the last year or so and the quality is actually quite impressive for a P&S.

But, also you can install the Canon Hack Development Kit on it and it gets even better with things like RAW mode and scripting. It's still quite easy to use and not as convenient as a dSLR.
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MGillustrations Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013   Traditional Artist
Admittedly I'm not an expert on cameras. All I know is I have a Canon that has noise problems, I've read a few other of the newer models do as well, and that others have mentioned Nikon not having as bad a problem with their point and shoots.

I'll look into the sx40 HS since that's pretty much my price range. I wouldn't mind staying with Canon as they do make good cameras but I guess my model's so far behind (like everything else in the technology world) that I have the kinks they've already worked out or improved.
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FallisPhoto Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013
Nikon p&s cameras, in my opinion, are among the very worst made. They make the gears that extend the lenses out of the same kind of cheap plastic that they make those combs from that shed teeth at the drop of a hat. Well, gears have teeth too, and in Nikon p&s cameras, they shed them. Nikon makes great DSLRs though. Actually, I think Canon and Sony make the best and most durable p&s cameras. I went through three Nikon p&s cameras in the time I have had my Canon A630 and it is still going strong. I'd be looking at the Canon A-series if you plan to shoot from a tripod, and their other cameras (with better image stabilization) if you don't.
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MGillustrations Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013   Traditional Artist
That's good to know, thank you very much. I need a durable camera that would be able to handle a few bumps here and there, I had a Fujifilm I replaced under 6 months because of something similar which is sad when you're spending several hundred dollars on something. I have heard good things about Sony, some claiming they trumped Nikon in many areas.
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mad-shrewd Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013
I agree with FallisPhoto below me. It's rather unfortunate that you can't use Canon lenses with a Nikon body because the lower end Canon bodies just don't feel very good in my hands, they feel like cheap junk.

I have yet to have a Canon P&S that wasn't quite tough. My first digital camera was the Canon PowerShot s10 and it's still going strong. I had to fix it a couple times, but that was mostly just because the case got a bit loose over the years and was easy enough to fix.

The other cameras that my family has have been pretty good as well. Just be mindful that some of the small ones can be a bit tough to operate.

That sx40HS I'm currently using feels quite rugged, but it is a bit more camera than you're looking for.
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MGillustrations Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013   Traditional Artist
Well personally I'd rather it be more than I'm looking for as it's quite easy to adapt to use the other features than, say, get something that's just at or a bit below what I'm looking for. Because really I'm not going to get a camera that has 2 fantastic settings/features and average everything else and I wouldn't want that.

And I couldn't operate a small model camera if I wanted to. I have large hands for a chick and long fingers that can easily get in the way of anything or accidentally hit a button. Even with the camera I have now, the ill-placed mics made it hard to take a video because in order to hold the camera steady I covered one of the mics.

But yeah I think sometimes it would be nice to sort of Frankenstein a camera, take the best of each brand to make one that might last longer in any sense.
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FallisPhoto Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013
Well, that's not saying much. When it comes to durability, almost anything can trump a Nikon p&s. Do a search for Nikon lens error sometime. That's the message that comes up when you give that lens any kind of bump. 10 years ago, it was more likely to be a matter of when, not if, you would get this message and have to throw the camera away. 5 years later, they had not fixed the underlying cause of this problem, 2 years later, they still had not done it and I stopped looking. I just checked again and people are still complaining about the same error message and it still has the same cause.

Now you can get that same problem with other cameras, but it takes a good, solid whack to do that to a Canon or a Sony; one guy complains that his Nikon did this after falling off of a pillow onto his bed. Nikon p&s cameras will take good photos, but you have to treat them like they are made of thin glass. They are just not made to stand up to anything remotely resembling heavy use. Canon and Sony p&s cameras are.

That's strange, when you think about it, because the entry level Nikon DSLRs are built more ruggedly than the entry level DSLRs from Canon. Nikon just doesn't put the same rugged construction into their p&s cameras.
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KingStephenArthur Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Student Photographer
my uncle was just showing me his new coolpix last week. He has some of the most expensive DSLR's and he said this camera is great and he can't stop using it. it's very durable and waterproof and a versatile camera for photography in general. I only use DSLR's so I can't say anything about it personally but I always go with my uncles advice as he is very knowledgeable and it has never led me astray.

here is a link to it on the Nikon website. hope you take this into serious consideration :D
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TimberClipse Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Professional Filmographer
I would definitely endorse the idea of just moving to a nicer powershot. As mentioned above, the G12 is at the "lower" end of the price range for those, but would be a great transition camera between the earlier models of the PS and a DSLR. 



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MGillustrations Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012   Traditional Artist
Thing is I'm not looking to transfer to a DSLR, both because I'm not trying to do any grade of professional photography and the fact I have a tight budget. Moreso the latter than anything. I will keep the G12 in mind though, thanks for the link.
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TimberClipse Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Professional Filmographer
To be honest, the future is lending itself to be entirely DSLR based within the next few years. Smaller DSLRs, but DSLRs none the less. ;)
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MGillustrations Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012   Traditional Artist
But if someone's on a budget like myself it's very hard to embrace said future. I don't have $500 to lay down for a camera otherwise I wouldn't have asked about the best point-and-shoot. Sure I wouldn't get what I could if I bought a DSLR but them's the breaks, y'know?
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TimberClipse Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Professional Filmographer
Oh no I totally agree. Though, I think the future holds cheaper DSLRs. Looking at it from a video/film perspective, the Blackmagic which was released this year tries to bring 2.5K Resolution Filmmaking for under $5000. That is HUGE. And means the DSLR market (with say the Canon 5D MK III) is going to have to go down in price to compete. As a result more and more of these cameras will get cheaper and cheaper until a Powershot is like a $50 buy new and DSLRs start around $100-$150.
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MGillustrations Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012   Traditional Artist
Of that I have no doubt. All technology falls to the same thing. Take DVD players for example, at one point they were $400 or more and people were either shelling out or using other means like their video game consoles. Now you can easily pick up a new one for $50 or less depending on the manufacturer, and that was before BluRay ever reared its head. If new stuff crops up it'll be pricey but once certain things hang around long enough there's less need to charge so much.
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SteveCaissie-stock Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Professional Photographer
I’d second *tacosteev. Stick to what you know and are comfortable with. If you ever think you might one day consider going beyond the basic point-and-shoot features, you could pick up a Powershot G12 or G15. They’re a little bigger and heavier than the Elph models, but they pack a lot of the features of a DSLR into a relatively compact package.
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tacosteev Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist
I still use my powershot even though I have an SLR. It is a great little camera and is OK at macros. I would probably continue with that line. My sister has a coolpix camera but I prefer the picture quality coming from my powershot.
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MGillustrations Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012   Traditional Artist
I bought the Powershot back in 08 because of its great macro feature (it's an SX110IS) because at the time I was doing a lot of BJD photography and own a 4" doll. However the lowlight quality on it is pretty much crap and I have to do a lot of adjusting even if I'm using a lightbox in good daylight to not get grain to my photos. Anything slightly darker is worse.

I wouldn't mind continuing with the Powershot line as it's obviously what I know better as far as operation but I've heard good reviews with certain Coolpix cameras regarding lowlight capabilities and things like zoom. I do want something that's a little bit above the every day camera as I don't just whip out the camera to snap shots of friends or family.
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