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5D MKII v 6D?

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orangefruits Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I have an erroring 5D mark II that is still under cover, only had it a few months.

I am thinking of jumping the boat on the 5D MKII and upgrading to the 6D for a few extra 100. Does this seem a wise choice, the 5D MKII does everything I need it to, it's just a little noisy at it, wouldn't mind a quieter mirror, and of course it's discontinued, isn't it better to be with a current model camera?

I mainly shoot portrait work and have recently been getting into timelapse photography.

Any tips or help is much appreciated, thanks in advance.
Have a nice xmas.
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georgewjohnson Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
"...isn't it better to be with a current model camera?", that's what the execs at Canon and Nikon love to hear from every single customer, LOL!
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orangefruits Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
haha!
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SkankinMike Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
The 6D isn't considered a pro body, therefore it doesn't have pro-body build quality... Just something to consider if your kit takes a bit of abuse if it's working kit ;)
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Delahkel Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Professional Photographer
It's mostly made of magnesium alloy, just like the 5D series, except the top plate is plastic to allow GPS to work.
That said, only the 1D series is considered pro by Canon. The 5D is a prosumer body.
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EricForFriends Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Professional Photographer
There's some weird logic going on in Mike's story.
Canon makes fine cameras, but there are liars, damned liars and marketing departments. I've been carried around "consumer EOSs" around for twenty years, in rucksacks, photo bags, over my shoulder, and yes, I've occasionally dropped them or bumped into things that didn't give way, like stone walls and rocks. Still, I've never got to deal with a body that got broken, deformed or dysfunctional in the slightest way. (okay, *touch wood*)
However, the size and weight of the 1D series really make it only practical to use in more sedate situations, tripods, in short: the studio. What the hell are these "pro" photographers doing there to justify these supposedly rugged 1D bodies? Playing American football? And could you imagine any wedding photographer moving about in a wedding party crowd brandishing a 1D? :confused:
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Delahkel Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Professional Photographer
I've only had a rebel break on me, everything else is better built.

1D for studio only? neah, I doubt that, it's not that heavy. The 1Ds was used a lot by landscape photographers (and those put their cameras through hell and back just to get that awesome shot of a volcano erupting for example) before the 5D came along, and the 1D is used for sports, and those cameras get the most abuse, so I can definitely see the need for better built quality on those.

What's wrong with using 1D for weddings? most wedding photographers use grips on their 5Ds anyhow, which makes the 5D comparable to the 1D both in size and weight. There's a guy on these forums (forgot his name) who used to shoot weddings with two medium format cameras.
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SkankinMike Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
Front and rear.
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EricForFriends Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Professional Photographer
I took exactly that decision about two months ago, and waited for the 6D to arrive. My previous main camera was a 450D, and I didn't want work with older technology and/or a secondhand camera (again) just for the sake of saving a relatively (!) small amount of money. I've been shooting with 6D for a couple of weeks (including one week's holiday in pretty dark weather), and I absolutely love it. That being said, I do travel, Street and architecture photography, and with the GPS, Wifi, stealth mode and relatively small weight, and the performance in almost no light, the camera seems to have been designed for me. I shoot often in dim little streets and publicly accessible interiors.
In your case you may like the low-light performance for shooting portraits with natural light and day-and-night time-lapses. In some cases, being able to operate the camera from your iPhone might come in useful too. E.g. if you have to fuss a lot with your scene/model and the camera is at some distance.
If you have to wait two or three months to save the extra money, I'd say that it's absolutely worth it.
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Delahkel Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Professional Photographer
How are you liking the 6D so far? are the outer focus points of any use in dim light conditions?
I'm thinking of getting one to complement my 5DIII (and replace my 50D) for wedding work, but I'm not a fan of focus recompose.
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EricForFriends Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Professional Photographer
I'm in love with my 6D, absolutely, but to be fair, my previous camera was a 450D. ;)
I do travel photography for my books and Street for fun, and in both situations the 6D looked like it was designed for me, with the much better performance in bad light or even darkness, and the GPS, the smaller weight etc. So far, I'm not disappointed.

As it happens, I tried the outer points inside a not too brightly lit conference hall, with a distracting light elsewhere in the frame - and it worked for me. It might still struggle in a badly lit street or room though, you'd really have to try yourself.
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Delahkel Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Professional Photographer
Great, thank you for that :)
I don't think weddings are any worse lit than conference halls, so I think I'm good, thanks.
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orangefruits Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I went for the 6D actually yesterday. Obviously still getting to grips with it, I'm used to the 5DII controls now so it's a little confusing but I'll get over that. I like to shoot in low light as I often shoot wide open (f1.4) and yes in regards to your other comment the sound of the shutter is so much more quieter.

I do really like the camera and glad I opted for it. I actually also used to use a 450D as my main previous camera.

Thanks for the tips on the low light shooting, I really try to avoid sunny days also.
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EricForFriends Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Professional Photographer
My pleasure!
I don't really avoid sunny days, it's just that there are so few of them, and that the light is so bad where I shoot most of the year... :( But sun can be a problem, yes.
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tacosteev Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts after you get used to it. I've been debating between the 5d mk2 and 6d.
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orangefruits Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
First thoughts:

The build quality of the 5DMKII seems a little better, it's heavier and all round bigger than the 6D. Saying that the 6D is obviously much newer so Canon have been able to shrink down components and such making it smaller. The size issue you can see either way but I like a big camera for my large hands and found the 5DMKII quite a good size, if not a little heavy though.

The 6D is mainly made of plastic to let the wi-fi and GPS in and out of the camera. This however does give the camera a slightly cheap feel but meh it does the job.

The controls on the 5DMKII do seem to be slightly more intuitive then on the 6D, but that might be because I'm used to the 5DMKII layout.

I am taking the camera for a proper test run this weekend shooting another gig, I'll let you know more about it then.
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Delahkel Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2012  Professional Photographer
They're pretty much the same, with few differences:
Better high ISO with the 6D
GPS and WiFi in the 6D if that interests you
I think it's 1/3 stop faster sync speed with the 5DII
Faster max shutter speed with the 5DII (1/8000 vs 1/4000)
6D can focus in pretty much complete darkness (more sensitive than even the 5DIII and 1Dx), but only with the center point (same as the 5DII).

If I were buying new, I'd get the 6D with a quality ND filter.
As for returning the 5DII...well, it's still an amazing camera, so you won't be wrong either way. That said, if you could return it at no loss, I'd get the 6D.
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orangefruits Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
It's good to know it can focus in dark conditions, I currently use a Canon ST-E2 in low light on the 5DII. To be honest, I'm not to fussed about GPS but the WIFI seems like quite a cool feature, especially for synching with iOS devices.

Yeah, it should be a no loss return so I'll likely fork the little extra and get the 6D.

Thanks for the comparison. Do you know about the shutter sound on the 6D, is it as noisy as on the 5DII?
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Delahkel Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2012  Professional Photographer
Haven't actually tried a 6D myself, so can't really comment on the shutter sound, sorry.
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orangefruits Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
no worries, I have heard it has a 'silent' shutter which would be handy.

Anyway, thanks for the help, have a nice xmas.
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EricForFriends Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Professional Photographer
It has. I had a hunch my old 450D's shutter could be annoying to fellow visitors in museums. By comparison, the standard mode shutter of the 6D is a lot better and, although it's not inaudible, the stealth mode shutter shouldn't be a bother to anyone (except to those who mind photography per se of course), and will be drowned out by street noise in many urban situations.
I have yet to find out what is the trade-in for using the stealth mode shutter instead of the ordinary one, but I've used it much already with it being in the way somehow.
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Delahkel Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2012  Professional Photographer
If the silent shutter mode is anything like the 5DIII, then it's gonna be very silent.

Merry xmas.
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orangefruits Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Apparently it is very similar.
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Delahkel Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2012  Professional Photographer
Then that's good news.
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kippa2001 Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013
Because of the 5D MK III and 6D does that decrease the chances of them bringing out an EOS 7D MK II? I have a 7D and love it to bits.
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