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Help with uneven development or camera light leaks.

:iconjonniedee:
jonniedee Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I've been recently having problems with the company that I get my film developed at. I wrote them a message and I am waiting for a reply.

Anybody familiar with uneven development or light leaks from a camera?

Below is the message with all of the information that I sent to them.

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Greetings,

I've been using your services for the last 10 months and up until now I have been happy.

I recently picked up 5 developed rolls of film that I had dropped off and picked up at your store. I need advice as to what is happening to the negatives. Some of the frames have vertical bright streaks running through them. It appears to be uneven development.

Here are some examples shot from my Rolleiflex MX-EVS and Kodak 400 Tmax film that I bought from you in the last 2 weeks. The Rolleiflex was also CLA'd by you in November of this year.

The first two examples are from the exact same roll of film.

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I've taken photos using this camera and did not have any streaks previous to having it CLA'd, so it brings me to believe that it is not an issue with the camera.

This is an example of some of those shots, developed through your services, but before getting the camera CLA'd.

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The development looks great on the last few examples.

Here is one more example shot out of a Yashica D and Kodak 400 Tmax.

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I picked up the roll that this photo came from with the same rolls as the top two Rolleiflex examples.

So, my questions are:

Is this an issue with my Rolleiflex?

Is this an issue with uneven development?

Thanks for your time,

Jon Damaschke
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:iconphotomark:
photomark Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
OK to me the streaks look like scanning artifact.

Before I went to an Epson V500 I was using an Epson perfection 4180 and after some time the lights in the lid that are used to illuminate the negative dulled a bit and would leave scan lines EXACTLY like these.

If your not scanning the negs then it will not be this but if you are just have a look at the illumination.

The Epson V500 does not have this problem as it used a different set up and the illumination lights move with the scanning head.
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:iconjonniedee:
jonniedee Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Hey Mark,

I'm actually scanning these with the V500. When looking at the negatives, lit from the back, there is a definite difference in brightness which I am calling "streaks."
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photomark Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
OK I just realized mine is a V600 so it may be different in some ways.

If you can see a difference with your eyes then you have found your problem
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phydeau Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
This one [link] looks almost like the film/negative was warped. Have you looked into the possibility of the film being the problem?
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:iconjonniedee:
jonniedee Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I never thought about that. The film is Kodak 400 Tmax and doesn't expire until march of 2015.
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:iconphydeau:
phydeau Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
The scientist in me would lean toward testing to find the source of the problem. I'd do two things: 1) Have the film from your Rolleiflex developed at other places and see if the same problem occurs. If it does, then the problem is likely with your camera. 2) Have film from other cameras developed at your normal place. If the same problem occurs, the problem is likely with the lab.
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:iconjonniedee:
jonniedee Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
The same issue happened with film out of my Yashica D. It was Kodak 400 Tmax and was given back to me with the same rolls from my Rolleiflex. That is what leads me to believe that it was a problem with the lab.
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FallisPhoto Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012
Sorry, missed that part. That would lead me to believe the same thing. There's nothing you can do about it now. I'd just go to another film lab.
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:iconjonniedee:
jonniedee Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I'm going to try another lab and see if my results turn out better. Hopefully that turns out to be the issue and my cameras are ok.
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regularjane Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I used to work in a busy photolab and when films showed signs of fogging/light leaks it was normally due to the film not being properly loaded in the processor. Even by not slamming the door to the processor hard enough caused these sporadic light leaks to occur and as they were so slight it was easy for us (the lab) not to have to accept responsibility...I mostly used to load 35mm and 120 films into the processor and the 120s were the worse as they had to go into a separate loader container and were particularly fiddly. I am (definitely) not an expert but I would guess that the problem occurred with the lab.
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:iconjonniedee:
jonniedee Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Thanks, Jane. I'm going to try another place and then try to set up my apt so I can eventually do it myself.
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:iconregularjane:
regularjane Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
:)
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:iconcameraflou:
cameraflou Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012
Agree with you !!! +1

Not the camera...the lab...:D
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:iconfallisphoto:
FallisPhoto Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012
Sorry, but it is probably an issue with your Rolleiflex. Your film is showing all of the classic signs of a light seal leak. You need to check your seals. Customarily, these are changed as part of a CLA, but it looks to me like they either skipped this step, did a crappy job, or used crappy materials. If they used foam, check to see if the foam is fairly firm and springy. If they used acrylic yarn, they used the wrong stuff. Wool yarn works, and that is what came in some older cameras, but ideally the seals should be black felt. Foam works too, if it is the right kind of foam. The kind with the big bubbles in it is mirror bumper foam and is not the right kind for light seals.

Do you develop your own film? If not, you need to stop using the service you used for the photos in the first two links, because both show dust spots and in the first shot, the film has a vertical scratch on the non-emulsion side. The scratch might be due to a burr or some dirt on the film pressure plate, so check that, but I doubt that is the problem.

If you do develop your own film, don't wipe your film to clean the water spots off! Instead, skip the Photoflo and dip it in distilled water a few times after a final rinse in tap water. Distilled water doesn't spot and it has no contaminants in it to make dust specks. I can get distilled water at the grocery store for 87 cents a gallon, so it isn't going to break you. Contrary to popular belief, Kimwipes are not entirely lint free either and that may be what is leaving the dust spots on your negatives. If you are not wiping your negatives, you are doing something else that scratched your negative. Scratches don't happen by themselves.
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:iconzedka:
zedka Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012   Photographer
Yeah you should develop films yourself. The b&w films AND the colours films, both are easy to work with and as you know it's less expensive to do it yourself!
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:iconjonniedee:
jonniedee Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I think I might have to from now on.
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:iconcameraflou:
cameraflou Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012
Hé Hé it 's not the camera or light leaks in the camera your rolleiflex is not a cheap holga !!!
It's the labo I had the same problem with a film in the company who developp my film ! [link]

This is a cleaning problem with the machine who developps the film... A dust when the film was put in the machine. try to find an agreement with the company which deals with your film.

It happens even in the pros company! the company should offer you free developments !

Good luck !!! :)
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:iconfallisphoto:
FallisPhoto Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012
That doesn't mean anything. Even Rollei seals eventually need replacement. He's had the camera CLAd (cleaned, lubed and adjusted) and they are supposed to replace the light seals as a matter of routine. It is looking like whoever did it (and he did NOT work for Rollei) either messed up his old light seals and didn't replace them, took them out and didn't replace them, just plain did a crappy job, or used the wrong materials. Anyway, the big problem isn't dust, it's the big streaks from light leaks (they show up better in the second photo). Either the camera or the machine is leaking light, and his second set of photos shows that it isn't the machine.
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:iconjonniedee:
jonniedee Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I hope that they do offer me something, as I go to them for almost everything.

Thank you for responding, I appreciate your feedback.
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cameraflou Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012
You should developp your BW film it's easy... and less expensive than a labo...

For color it's another thing but BW it's really easy and cheap... with 60 dollars you can have all the thing to developp a lot of film... and you can obtain very goog result !!!
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:iconjonniedee:
jonniedee Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I probably should start. Thank you.
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EintoeRn Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Light leaks are often due to drying out / broken rubber sealing inside the camera. It can be fixed by specialists. There were two places I knew which would do that thing, but both gave up business in the last couple of years :-(
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:iconjonniedee:
jonniedee Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Within the last month, I had my Rolleiflex CLA'd and fixed up so I could shoot with it. It was from this exact company that I have been getting my negatives from.
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EintoeRn Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Embarrassing, indeed !
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:iconjonniedee:
jonniedee Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
:(
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