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Why isn't the photographer allowed to "edit" like the painter?

*Fuzzypiggy Sep 12, 2012 Hobbyist Photographer

Simple question, why is it still acceptable for a painter to include and exclude details at will while it's frowned upon for a photographer to do the same when they digitally edit or darkroom develop their shot afterwards?

I've no axe to grind, merely kicking off a discussion.

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~RestInMotion Sep 24, 2012

Also, Jerry Uelsman. 100% darkroom photography. 100% better than anything that can be done with photoshop.

~RestInMotion Sep 24, 2012

...who the fuck criticizes someone for developing in the darkroom... That's like criticizing a driver for driving the car.

~photomark Sep 22, 2012 Hobbyist Photographer

A photograph is a capture of a real scene or of something that does exist ,well it is supposed to be even though there is no believability in photos anymore.

A painting is an artist impression of how that scene or object or whatever looks and they will paint or draw it to look how they want it, it may not even exist in the real world .

It is TOTALLY imposable to photograph anything that is not real but you can paint or draw whatever you can imagine.

With a photograph as soon as you add an element to it that does not exist or was never there it is no longer a photograph but art that uses photographs , even in my darkroom I at times stack negs to make a print ,while this print is a photographic print I dont think of it as a photograph as it used several separate photographs to produce, this is an art-form that uses photographic processes to produce the final print but I still dont call it a photograph .

~MichaelRowlandson Sep 21, 2012 Professional Photographer

I edit like a painter, I find that if you can get a strong concept then the people dont mind.

~poseidonsimons-s Sep 21, 2012

because to most people,. photography shows the real world

~MichaelRowlandson Sep 21, 2012 Professional Photographer

Joel Grimes would disagree

, to him photography is art. Check this out very inspirational interview [link]

~poseidonsimons-s Sep 21, 2012

I just mentioned what "ordinary" people usually see photography as

~MichaelRowlandson Sep 21, 2012 Professional Photographer

ordinary people are boring lol

~GhostInThePines Sep 18, 2012 Hobbyist Photographer

As some of the other responders have said, it does a lot to do with the type of photography you're doing as to whether large amounts of editing are either shrugged off or frowned upon. Most people here seem to come from some branch of urban or people photography. But coming from a nature/wildlife background, I'd like to clue you in on a little something...

Many wildlife photography competitions sponsored by magazines and the like require their digital participants to include a RAW file with their submission. This is to ensure that the image being submitted is, in fact, of a wild animal in a natural setting and not some photoshopped compilation. While editing in the ways of contrast or cropping or what-have-you are not that big a deal (wildlife photographers can't always wait for the best conditions after all), using any type of captive-held animal is a major no-no.

So for anyone reading this who submits their zoo shots under the "Wild Animals" category, please don't try doing that in the wildlife photography world.

*ladiespet Sep 22, 2012

The B.B.C. recently did a wildlife show (frozen planet) which showed some newborn polar bear cubs. It caused a stir because the cubs were filmed in a zoo, with fake snow.
It just goes to show that even with the budget and great wildlife camera men of the B.B.C. "if you can't make it fake it" still applies.

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