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Does the "enter text here" box kill anyone else's muse?

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SharpGuard Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013
I'm a hardcore poet, I'm coming up with little snippets on the go all the time, I have little lyrics sitting around wherever I go. But when I come to type a song onto DA, the "insert text here" box seems to drain all the artistic ability out of me, leaving em feeling like an illiterate dumbass with the vocabulary of a 5 year old. It's not even me being nervous, I love to perform, I even do freestyle raps and I've been in rap battles, so I'm anything but shy when it comes to showing off my creativity. It's just that fucking little text block seems to work some voodoo on me and I just walk away feeling like my wordplay had been sucked away into a void of emptiness.

Anyone else have that problem?
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DevilKid-chan Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Type it into something else first. Then cut and paste.
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Oilux Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Student Writer
Oh my gosh, yes. It's like clicking that button suddenly opens one up to critiques and harshness that wasn't there before. And the fact that after you click that button you can't edit the text unless you submit it and then edit it again, really doesn't help.
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PinkyMcCoversong Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Professional Writer
Hardcore, eh?  But not hardcore enough to create elsewhere and edit and revise and proofread and make a hardcore product that people will actually want to read?  Hardcore.
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SharpGuard Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013
I'm not a machine focusing on the technics. Would writing elsewhere help? In many cases it would. I'm not obligated to confine to your standards of writing, do things you consider to be maximum effort, and produce a piece you want. The thing about art is sometimes it comes out and the majority of people think it's effortless shit. But to that person, and maybe even a few others, it means something. Look at the abstract painters, who throw paint at canvases. Some people cry when they see it and pay thousands for it, while others (even including myself) ponder what the fuck the big deal is.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not unwilling to improve, I take critique and I thank people. But I hate when people talk like douchebags about other people's effort like they own this site and everything has to meet their criteria.

Sorry to shove this whole rant on you, it's more towards a whole idea, but I had to get it off my chest. It's just these kind of elitist cynical fucks piss me off more than any dumbfuck posting shitty sonic animu doodles or idiot making sparkledogs with messed up anatomy. At least they don't think they own the site and talk a bunch of snarky shit everywhere like they have to compensate for something.
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vglory Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013
The 'technics' of working hard to make something worth reading? I would not consider that optional.
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PinkyMcCoversong Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Professional Writer
I'm not being elitist or cynical. What I'm saying is that if you're putting your work out there for an audience -- which you are -- you need to consider that. What is your best work? How do you create your best work?

And I will say this -- Jackson Pollock? Pablo Picasso? They, like so many abstract artist, were studied and skilled in traditional, realist painting.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
In the future, journals aren't a bad place for this sort of stuff. (Or the Complaints forum.) :)
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SharpGuard Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013
Just made a thread of the same nature in general since it was art related, but if you feel it needs to be in complaints, go ahead and do so.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Should be okay. :shrug: You may want to mention that to the person you responded to?
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LadyAnder Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
No, don't have this problem. Why not write your first draft down on something else whether it is paper or a word possessor before uploading it to DA? Planning and having the ability to edit before uploading goes a long way.
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vglory Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013
I never write directly into the box as I create. My poetry always emerges in my head, then paper, then MSWord.
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LaEmperatrizMariana Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Nope. I copy-paste stuff on there when I am going to submit something serious, or at least show-worthy.
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TheBlackBullets Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I only use that box to post things I've already written. And to look for misspelled words that Word missed.
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DamonWakes Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Student Writer
Out of interest, why do you use the "enter text" box for proofreading? Do you actually prefer it to Word, or is it more of a last minute check sort of thing?
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TheBlackBullets Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Cause sometimes Word can't figure out what I'm trying to say while the spellcheck on Firefox/Chrome might.
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DamonWakes Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Student Writer
Aaah, right. That makes sense. I thought you meant you ran Word's spellcheck and then moved it to the dA text box before proofreading.
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saintartaud Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Professional General Artist
Why would you compose stuff in the entry box?
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Vanhir Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
That's because it's haunted by anti-poetry ghosts.
Why not write up a first draft in Word or something, edit and re-work that copy a bit and then copy-paste it into the submission box once you're happy with it? That's what I do.
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witwitch Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Student Writer
You should probably write first, edit, then decide if it is worth uploading.
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carusmm Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Absolutely, prepare more.
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Lytrigian Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Composing poetry in the input box is like a visual artist drawing with DrawPLZ. It's fine for simple, casual stuff, but no good at all for serious work. Submitting is a cut-and-paste job for serious writers.
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Rovanna Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013   Digital Artist
Nobody I know types into that box. I always type in Word and edit before submitting.

Try typing somewhere else/ handwriting it first?
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fyoot Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013   Writer
Have you considered that it's dA's way of telling you to edit that shit first instead of just typing the first crap that spews into your brain onto the screen and posting it as a deviation?
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ShadowedAcolyte Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
I want to bear your children.
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PinkyMcCoversong Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Professional Writer
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DorianHarper Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Professional Writer
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Lovely-Words Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
My love for this comment knows no bounds. :heart:
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neurotype Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Please have my offspring.

That said, I used to use it all the time. And then go back a day later and have huge regrets.
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SlightlyWinged Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Nope. Then again I usually write in openoffice first, then copy and paste. :shrug:
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SlightlyWinged Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Forgot to mention, I do this:

1. Type rough draft in Open Office.
2. Wait 2-3 days.
3. Open it, realize it's shit.
4. Edit it.
5. Sometimes, repeat steps 2-4 again.
6. Post on Deviantart.

Writing should go through AT LEAST one edit, otherwise it's just a rough draft. And rough drafts always suck.
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SharpGuard Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013
Sorry I didn't thank you earlier, summed up the general answer to this thread quite classily. It's weird, for most of the time I've written, I find I've always been better in bursts, relying on the muse at the moment. I always remember what a friend of mine who I really looked up to and actually wrote great stuff of his own told me, that when you edit something from what you originally intended of it, you lose some of what you were originally went for. It made me rethink writing a lot, that it's not always a long term process so much as having the right muse at the right moment and having enough energy and will to carry it out. Of course there's a bit of balance involved as well, I mean there's always quick edits but overall I try not to butch it too much from how it was "born", persay.
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DamonWakes Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Student Writer
I think it's true that editing can sometimes shift your work away from what you originally intended, but I also think that can be a good thing. I've written quite a few stories where the single best change I made was a complete step away from the original idea, and I think that's often because the original idea wasn't quite as good as it could have been. And sometimes, I think the editing can actually make your work more faithful to your original idea. You can cut unnecessary details that might distract readers, and you can add new details that illustrate your point more clearly.

Worrying about moving away from your original idea through editing sounds to me a little like worrying about losing your original sketch by painting over it. :shrug: It's a legitimate concern--it can/will happen--but if you want to produce something great then you'll have to deal with it sometime.
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SlightlyWinged Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You're right, and you can find a balance in between. I'm not saying rough drafts always suck. Heck, if you can remember to cram in all the important stuff that you'd usually forget in the rough draft, sometimes all you need to do when you edit is spell check and do some word rearranging.

The way I see, writing something when it comes to your mind is a great way to capture it. Sometimes though, you're so focused on just getting it out that you can miss important details. Editing to me is just as important as actually writing it out, possibly even more sometimes. It turns that rough piece of coal you've found in your mind into a nice shiny diamond.

Most important though, is to just keep writing, even if you never get past that rough draft stage. If you never write you never improve. ;)
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