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NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR OC!

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PinkyMcCoversong Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Professional Writer
So you drew a picture and have your OC all figured out down to the eye color and the scars near her bellybutton and all her favorite outfits.  You know she likes peanut butter more than jam and that she giggles when she talks to dudes. You feel like your OC is your BFF.

NOBODY CARES.

See, here's the thing.  Your "OC" (which, by the way, is a useless term unless you're writing fanfiction) is NOTHING outside of your story.  She's completely irrelevant.  If you don't have a story, there's no reason for you to have a character (unless you're role playing, which is not what we're talking about here).  Just STOP with the my OC blah blah.  What is your STORY.  How does your character fit into the story?  How do the events in the story develop her as a character while driving the plot forward? 

What does she want?  What's in the way?  And how will she overcome the obstacles you give her?  These are far more important than what she looks like or what she had for lunch.

Got it?
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ChantellyHeart Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013  Student General Artist
When writing a story I don't think it matters. It distracts me from writing the story actually. And I also believe the reader should be able to create their own image in their minds based on what you tell :) thats the fun about reading. And writing I say. Giving me a full description profile of your five characters before I read the first chapter is useless. I forget everything within a minute of reading it, lol.

But creating OCs for other things is fun. Sometimes you need to release those random charactors flowing around in your head, response to a situation in your life, or just play around with somebody elses art style and create your own character inspired from it. :)
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Graphospasm Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013   Writer
I agree that outside the context of a story, an "OC" is just sort of... well, there. However, I'm a bit confused by your post. Just as the OCs you describe lack the context of a proper story, so too, I feel, does your post. Are you saying that people should stop drawing their characters or writing character bios if they don't present a story alongside said bios? Because in my experience, brainstorming a character with all story set aside can be immensely helpful when you actually sit down to write that character's story.

You're right on the money when you say that character motivations matter far more than what they had for lunch, for the record. I can't count the number of times I've seen someone prioritize likes/dislikes over true motivation. This mostly happens in fanfiction, I think, and for that I'm grateful--but those likes and dislikes still have their place when in the initial stages of character crafting.
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NecroRaevyn Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Student Writer
The tone you use to say (type) this isn't very nice to those who use 'OC's, but you point is awesome and makes perfect sense. Everybody's getting really tired of a few people going on about their 'OC's that are barely any unique, just the 'good-nice-kind-bubbly-idiotic when dealing with boys-smart (even though the actual character is not, the authors always prefer a description of their characters that make them sound awesome. Barely any character whose author wrote in their character descirptions that they are smart actually turned out smart)'.
I love this.
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ex-cirkuu Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013
While I do agree with the point of this, the tone almost makes me want to groan.

Most people wouldn't care about the character until you give them something to care about. While an artist/writer needs to know almost everything about the character (I'm under the impression that, if done well, a character can surprise the author sometimes), the audience sure doesn't, and some fan favs are made in broad strokes.

On the other hand, a character doesn't need an elaborate plot to reach that goal (though it helps a lot). Some series don't have much of a plot at all, but have very likable characters.

But what do I know? I've only written (unrefined) one-shots about my characters.
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Lifh Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013
Nobody cares about what you have to say, you fucking degenerate.
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wreckling Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013   Writer
There are actually quite a lot of people who care about what she has to say, given she's a successful traditionally published author who still takes time out of her schedule to give advice and feedback on dA for less experienced writers. You might swear less and listen more, next time. ;)
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PinkyMcCoversong Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Professional Writer
You're sweet. :)
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Scurron Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Student General Artist
Whoa, thanks for the clarification! I always thought that the term OC stands for every character created, be it fan fiction or not. :B
Also, I agree with your thread! A character looks naked to me without a story. I see people often starting by planning out characters whole, which is, in my opinion, the same as drawing the eyes first and making them all sparkly instead of setting the whole face up before. Everything should come at a somewhat same pace.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's more than possible to build up a story on an already existing character that has no story at all, but I think it's very difficult to do so.
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SurrealCachinnation Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013   Writer
:clap:

I HATE it when people us the term OC for anything other than fanfiction--it IS useless, and no one seems to get it. You say "my character," not "my original character." If you have unoriginal characters in what you're trying to call your original work, you're plagiarizing.

That being said, I DO find myself caring about people's characters... but yes, there does need to be a story, otherwise the character is useless. I have a character in the back of my head I created when I was a young teenager who I still like to think about from time to time, but she never ends up in any of my stories, because if I tried to write about her she'd come off as SUCH a Mary Sue. That's the trouble with pet characters. You get close to them, but you can't do anything practical with them. Just writing about the existence of a character isn't a story, it's what belongs in your notes. What everyone else wants to read is what happens when that character gets into an interesting situation. Yay, plot!
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ShadowOfDarkAndLite Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
-shrugs- I think it depends more than anything.

1. How much the user talks about their OC
2. Do they use the character in comics, stories, poetry, RPing?
3. How long ago the character was made
4. If there is an emotional reason for the character.

-.- My characters have emotional reasons so this thread actually pisses me off. Though I usually dont talk about my characters. HOWEVER, my characters are dark due to me having what I call "Bad" childhood... and it's not my parents fault... tho my childhood is over, my teen years arent. n_n I was bullied, bugged, basically destroyed by others who didn't give a piece of shit. So I made my character Shadow Scare to understand how I felt... Back then my dad thought I was a problem child so I thought he was mean.. He isnt that way now but still... My characters father was said to be a demon who killed her mother.. Meh... x.x Enough of me talking...

It really does depend on certain things so dont be an ass about it all the time. You must understand the other user first before you judge. Judging first before observing will get you know where in life. :yawn:
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neurotype Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
This thread is about people who want to craft a good story. Of course you're welcome to do whatever you like for your own personal reasons--there's no question that diaries and other private things are a safe place. :)

Also frankly, calling the OP an ass seems to directly contradict your insistence that people shouldn't judge before observing.
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ShadowOfDarkAndLite Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
-Face palm on my part- Ugh I am brain dead today... xD I did call the OP an ass, but I was basically saying that she shouldn't be an ass about what she was saying even though she doesn't think she is one. She may not be one to some, but to me and the way she phrases things, it seems like it. -shrugs- But you're right... I should have rephrased what I said.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Apologising for it wouldn't be a bad idea. It's still the opposite of the behavior you think is best ;)
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ShadowOfDarkAndLite Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah... It is... D; I hate Aspergers Syndrome.. I sometimes have issues with social things like this. XD I know it seems to be an excuse, but that is sometimes why I seem like an ass because I say something and mean the opposite thing... Though I am sorry for making an ass out of myself and not understanding this thoroughly.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
It happens to everyone sometimes. What really matters is how you deal with it :aww:
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ShadowOfDarkAndLite Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yup. That is true.
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PinkyMcCoversong Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Professional Writer
I don't really think that, if you're trying to be a writer, any of those things matter. What matters is writing and developing a character within a story.  This thread pertains to literature, so we're talking about stories.
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ShadowOfDarkAndLite Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, I do see that. :| Hmm... I guess it depends how much you use the character and what you make your character do... D:

n_n Like my new story I am making.. two main characters... one belongs to me, one belongs to my friend. But that doesn't mean I am going to shove that in my friends face that mine is better or worse. I am more trying to make the characters how we act and not how we want to.
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PinkyMcCoversong Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Professional Writer
Story and character, like I've said many times in this post, are mutually exclusive. As far as writing goes, you can't have one without the other.
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ShadowOfDarkAndLite Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Indeed this is very true.

-shrugs- Whats the point of having a character if you have no reason for one right?
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PinkyMcCoversong Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Professional Writer
I don't really think that, if you're trying to be a writer, any of those things matter. What matters is writing and developing a character within a story.  This thread pertains to literature, so we're talking about stories.
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TTFNJinx Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Student Interface Designer
ok I'm writing a story and the main character doesn't get mentioned until the middle of the book because I want the audience to feel as if they're traveling in the journey to the character. She fits in because she has a crazy back group d and she saves a lot of lives especially in the future series ive already planned.

(The entire idea came from a dream of mine)
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Scurron Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Student General Artist
Sorry for popping in, but how do you mean? Do you have other characters that you keep track of for the time she isn't there?
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TTFNJinx Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Student Interface Designer
She ravenna, is the main character the true main however writing in third person helps with this allowing me to swtlitch from talking to slightly important charactersvwho play big roles (but not as big as the main.) But all of the characters are connected.
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Scurron Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Student General Artist
I see, that makes sense. :)
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TTFNJinx Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Student Interface Designer
it does? Because when I came up with it I was like "what the hell is wrong my brain!?" but its good someone else thinks it makes sense I was really worried. :P
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Scurron Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Student General Artist
I must admit, I've never hear of such a concept before, but it does sound interesting. :P
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TTFNJinx Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Student Interface Designer
thanks ^_^
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Ahh... would that the author of My Immortal known this...
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PoconoPariah Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
Dear god...this is glorious. Thank you, for someone has finally said something about this!
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PizzaPotatoNBacon Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Student General Artist
True.
Well, sure, they all start as people in my head and/or people I made randomly on paper, but I swear, every time I make a character, I focus on their character a lot. Usually I start with basics, like "What is their age? Race?" until I get to very deep questions regarding their role in the story. I don't care about the colors and features, and usually, their role determines their abilities.
I hope I'm not doing this wrong though...
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Screw-gravity Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Student Writer
I cannot stand it when people say, "Do you have any OCs?" Like I only write fanfiction and that anything else is rare and odd. Or, worse yet, like I'm supposed to write fanfiction, and that an original story or novel is completely out of place.
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vglory Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
+1
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PoetBoi Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
OC's are only relevant to other people in roleplay. End discussion.
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tiganusi Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013  Professional
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Reicheru-Ketsueki Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
but sometimes people create the character first and then come up with a story?
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PinkyMcCoversong Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Professional Writer
But in order for either to be effective, they need to be inseparable.
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MaxwellSmaart Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
Amen.
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CheshireLies Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013
I don't really agree. I enjoy seeing characters people make, and learning about them sort of create a story on their own. If the characters are interesting enough in design and personality, then I don't need to read an entire novel to be interested in them. I enjoy seeing art from people, if they want to post pictures of their characters then I'll be happy to take a look.
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PinkyMcCoversong Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Professional Writer
I think you're kind of missing the point -- this is about people who want to write.
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CheshireLies Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013
And part of writing is developing an interesting, eye-catching character. And you shouldn't need an entire novel to express that.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
What does "eye-catching" mean?
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Lytrigian Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
A very large penis.

THERE, I SAID IT.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
:clap:
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MaxwellSmaart Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013
Someone had to.
Thanks for getting the elephant out of the room.
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CheshireLies Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013
It keeps me engaged. A story can be amazing but if their character is crap I don't want to keep reading.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Okay, so how does that clash with what the OP says? Unless you are genuinely interested in their eye color, hair color, facial features, clothing, what they're eating, etc. right from the start.
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CheshireLies Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013
Hearing these details makes a character more real to me. And I've been asked some pretty mundane questions about my own characters, even if they haven't read a story concerning him. So apparently someone is interested. As stated in another comment, the idea of 'no one cares about my character' or 'my character is nothing without a story' isn't something I agree with. Sometimes small details can be what get me interested.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
ok
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PinkyMcCoversong Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Professional Writer
No, but character development comes in writing the story. (Whether it's a novel, a short story, or somewhere in between.)
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