anyone who thinks writers are the only one with this issue... this is a life issue. I remember being the new kid in school and the way to make friends with people is to NOT FLING SHIT AT THEM but get to know them, knowing the ones who had been there since kindergarten were the ones who knew more than me. this is no different but it's on the internet so it doesn't count? wuhevs.
you don't assimilate yourself with people by shitting on them. if they're shitting on you, maybe you did something to cause that to happen. accept responsibility that you did it wrong. and if you didn't do anything but say hello and they shit on you, maybe they're not a group you need to be around OR you're not ready for a bunch of personalities that are stronger than yours. that's all i'm saying with new people coming to this forum. there is no welcome wagon here. watch what we do, get to know us first. give us more than a day.
AND NO we're not "better than you" because we were here first, we're just here first and we know each other. when outsider/new people come in with hella attitude and then get mad that we're not more welcoming ... man, FUCK THAT SHIT.
There isn't that much of a web design community (tends to go offsite), but I've seen the sculptors be pretty unhappy about not having their own GM. And note this: we're one of only four galleries that gets its own forum.
We are too! Probably because we talk so bloody much. I just had a look at the categories, and I reckon there should be an artisan craft forum. The other categories can pretty much go under general, digital, photo or lit, but that one kind of sticks out.
Listen. This Is An Opinion. And the thing to do is give your feedback. In a nice way please. Just because you've been here a while does not mean you know everything. Step back, and calm yourselves down. This is her own opinion, and you need to respect that. Also, you DON'T know how long she's been writing. You don't know how well she writes or anything like that. And really, you think you know it all? Yeah, you probably do have some major knowledge. But give it out respectfully without the smart remarks. I'm pretty sure a lot of people agree and disagree, and be free to voice your opinion. But back it up with past experience and knowledge. Then you will be a big help.
I'm confused as to how being 'free to voice your opinion' and 'give your feedback in a nice way please' go together. Could you explain why people should have to tone themselves down when a person is essentially issuing a call to arms?
Your post is the least respectful I've seen so far. No one has told her to calm down or stop using "smart" remarks (how is that polite, exactly? It reads as sarcastic to me)—they've suggested reasons she feels this way and suggested solutions including moving past it because it's not going to change when the OP has nothing but questions.
"I do not think I am the only one who feels this way but I think it needs to change"—is there some other subtext here? It's possible I've assimilated this with the series of journals and other forum posts on the same topic.
Well, sorta. I don't think anyone should respond in a mean way that would hurt someone's feelings. You can disagree. I am not saying you HAVE to agree at all. I have seen people disagree with what she says. But they don't say it in a mean way. They say it with constructive criticism.
Yes. And I have been on here. I took your words and conceived them as a lash. But I should've realized how you may have felt about the situation. However, I believe this experience has made me better at responding to others.
Just lurk more. And give a little credence to the folks who have been around the block. Nobody's trying to lord experience over anyone else, but folks who have been on dA for a while know a thing or two that you might not.
I don't think deviantart needs to change. It's just what is popular is what people like. More people like to look at pictures than to read here. So DA can't/shouldn't tell people what to like. I reckon that literature is promoted a fair bit on here and because it is a smaller 'community' it is more like a community. More people know each other, even the really pro people have time to talk. It's easy to get critiques and make friends than it is for visual art (for me at least, I do both)
Everyone does on dA what they want to do and what they came for. The literature community happens to be smaller than, say, photography. You seem to want to make photographers read literature, too. I think that is quite impossible and it would be quite useless. I personally feel that being seen by 10 fellow writers who enjoy reading your work is much more valuable than being seen by 1000 digital artists and photographers who aren't really interested in it nor have much of an idea what they're looking for because their interests lie elsewhere.
Assuming that the photographers are actually interested in the story (even if they don't write themselves), I'd disagree. People have a pretty good idea of what works and what doesn't even if they don't use that medium themselves. Feedback from a fellow writer might be more valuable, but I'm not sure it's 100 times more valuable.
There would be other factors at work, too. Say you've written a novel about a photographer who does digital art on the side. Would you rather have feedback from 1000 digital artists and photographers, or 10 people who write sonnets exclusively?
But in general, I agree. I could offer feedback on poetry, but I feel like I do more good by generally sticking to prose. I imagine most people feel the same about their particular area(s) of art.
Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to imply that those are strictly separated communities where no one ever crosses a boundary; far from it. I know very well that many people are interested in more than one type of art. In case it was unclear, I meant to ask if you disagree with the point of my comment; which was that even if you find a way to make others read more literature, there's little point in it if it's not what they are interested in - it's way more valuable to invest that time and effort in fellow writers and readers. Is that clearer?
Yes, you are right, I misunderstood your point. Thanks for explaining it more detailed.
I partly agree with you. The other part that disagrees thinks that in first line I do my art just to let loose my feelings (in poems) or points of view. People interested in it, will read it. Others would probably shake their heads. Of course, I feel very honoured when a professional writer considers my works as good, but it is the same to me as when a painter do it because I know that it is not common and I highly appreciate it. I won't make anybody read my feelings if they do not want to, but I am glad when they do You even can invest time in vain if a fellow writer do not like the style or the things you write about.
When I have started here some months ago, I have nearly thought the same as you do. But things have soon changed. When I have seen a group with only drawings I was interested in, I contacted the admin and asked if literature would be allowed. Some of them even created new folders, literature folders for me to enter. The same experience I have made with contests. The latest contest I have won third place was a OC's drawing contest. I contacted the responsible again, asked for literature. My piece was only literature in a drawing contest where I have won a place in. So, I have changed ways of thinking. Literature is nearly accepted everywhere. It has to fit the topic theme of the group or perhaps negotiate with the admin how you would like to handle your literature topic.
Probably. Perhaps you should try. If you end up in auto-suggestion that everything around writing is negative, so your result will be this way - as you create something in advance that must not be. Do me the favour and try it out. Positively. Do not damn visual artists. I adore people who can draw because I cannot. And there will always be people who cannot write and will admire writers. Give people around you a chance that you get to like them and they will got to like your work