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Am I the only one around here, that actually likes some hawt and heavy scenes in their books?

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claescc Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Hey,

So I read alot of dif genres, but never the less i always go for books with a little action. ( if you know what i mean ;)).

However everytime i suggest it to someone, they love it or they think its pervy.


So people whats the deal?

- Is it okay to have some kissing and rubbing?

- Is it not okay that characters go further?
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EnuoCale Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Only if it's placed tastefully or has a real point. Poorly inserted sex scenes do nothing but make a book seem like it's taking itself less seriously.
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shannor Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
If it makes sense, and isn't overdone, sure, I don't mind some hawt and heavy scenes in books. But, more often than not, it's done badly when it is done, so I guess I'm on the fence about it.
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DamaiMikaz Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm okay with romance. But with sex... it depends on the story. If sex is needed for character development, I'd say it's okay. If not, It kinda seems like porn to me, and I don't like that.
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mondu Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2012
Depends.

In general, I want them separate. If I want to read erotica/porn, then I go to asstr.

The thing with depicting sex in a story is that its like depicting brushing teeth, peeing, taking a dump, or any other activity that's usually private. Unless its plot-relevant, I don't want to read about it. Even romances can get away with no sex scenes, unless the sex scene happens to have an impact in the story (for example, one of the persons involved turns out to be abusive, enough to cause the other person to not want sex, which is significant in a relationship).

Take, for instance, Mario Puzo's The Godfather. It was a story about family, crime and corruption. The size of one of the character's dong is unimportant to the plot, as is the size of one of the character's vagina. But Puzo spends at least 11 pages detailing how big the woman's vagina is, as well as several pages scattered throughout the book on how big the character's penis is. Seriously, WTF? Puzo spends as much time describing their genitalia as the backgrounds of the main characters. Reading it annoyed me to no end.
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saintartaud Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2012  Professional General Artist
I've not read The Godfather, but I've seen that particular issue mentioned before. Crazy. A lot of critics say that Coppola's first two movies elevate what is fairly mediocre mob soap opera.
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photosynthetichuman Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I'm reminded of the best porno I've see ever watched, where you see a guy recieve a blow-job without ever seeing the act itself, just his face.
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claescc Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Interesting porn haha :)
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CrazyAce01 Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012
Meh. Depends.

Several novels I've written have had sex in them, but I never actually describe the actual physical act. I'll set up my characters in such a way that it's obvious they're about to go at it, then skip to the next scene, often a conversation held in bed. Here's why:

1) Sex scenes are a pace killer. Have to take time out and describe sex to someone rather than get on with the plot.
2) Brief allusions can imply and suggest a lot more than an actual scene.
3) Leaving the physical act in the imagination of the reader is better as my particular idea of good sex might not be someone else's.
4) The better sex scenes I've read tend to be sparse on detail. Reading about the physiology of throbbing hot swords thrusting into readily accepting vessels sounds like the voice of an adolescent that hasn't actually had sex.
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claescc Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Swords and vessels haha I laughed reading nr 4!
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pamandab Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
If it feels "natrual", then it's okay, but if it feels forced and unnecessary, it's just awkward...
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claescc Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Bwa.. I don't mind a bit of forced play. But then only in the sense of characters courting and not unnecessary scenes.
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raspil Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012   Writer
depends on the story. i don't like it but that's just me.
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claescc Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Care to share what exactly it is you detest? The social courting or the act itself?
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raspil Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2012   Writer
wow where did i ever use the word "detest". a bit strong and not my word but yours for what reason...
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claescc Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
My apology, I didn't mean to offend. My first language is not English, so I merely used the wrong word to describe dislike.
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raspil Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2012   Writer
oh, i see now. no worries.

as for what i don't like about hot/heavy/romance scenes... not sure. if it's necessary to the plot and moves the story along, then it has to be there. if it is just gratuitous romance, it just bores me.
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claescc Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Fair enough.
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claescc Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
The question at hand;

Take a brilliant book. Would you prefer it to have romance in it or would you rather have non?

If yes, how far would you want them to go?

If no, whats the turn off?
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Anjasa Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2012  Professional Writer
I'd prefer to have some type of romance, but I'd rather the story didn't add unnecessary romance for no reason. It has to have a purpose and can't just be catering to people who like a certain genre.
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saintartaud Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Professional General Artist
I would say a story needs to be whatever it is and that a brilliant story contains no more and no less. So I would not impose such an expectation on any story but try to look at it on its own terms. I might prefer books that contained sex for whatever reason, but that's more a matter of taste than quality. For instance, I wouldn't look at one of Doyle's Sherlock Holmes stories and say, "That's OK, but it needs more sex/romance." That's not what it is, so why should I want that? I could, however, say "That's OK, even though I usually prefer stories with sex/romance."
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claescc Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
agreed
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Lytrigian Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I enjoy writing and reading scenes like that, but I have to censor what I post here because the TOS doesn't actually allow it. The original uncensored editions must go elsewhere.
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vglory Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012
The story is what the story is. It can be sensual or outright porn just because it is.

No story "needs" to be anything. Any story "can" be whatever you want, enjoy and/or profit from.
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saintartaud Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Professional General Artist
If it fits the story, I don't mind. Most stories don't require gratuitous sex scenes, I'll say that much.
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claescc Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Well, I wasn't really talking about sex people. I love great written novels with and withouth sex.

Everyone wants a novel to be great, awesome plot and twist! However I will say in the end I do prefer some romance somewhere along the lines.

I guess that's more the question at hand. If you have a great book that you're reading, wouldn't you like atleast something that makes your heart race a little bit?

I love it when books can make you sad, anxious, angry. And maybe I'm one of the few people who likes an elevated heartbeat here and there...
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Lytrigian Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
What? Sex is entirely what you seemed to be talking about. Or is that whole nudge-nudge, wink-wink stuff all about good firm handshakes and mutual high regard?
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claescc Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
very amuzing :D

I said "wasn't really talking about sex" as in i was actually 'Also' maybe even more so talking about all the stuff that happens between the kiss and the act.

the romance, the play, the wanting game, the thrill, the seduction, the almost... suspence?
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Lytrigian Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
In what possible universe could that be "pervy"?
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claescc Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
As i've stated "they think it's pervy".

I agree it is not. I just want to know where people draw the line.

See when I think pervy, I'm thinking firthy shades of gray. Raw hard, and over the top.

I'm talking normal, what is normal. When does the overall reader say okay, now that was too much.

A writer should always write what they want. Never the less there is a general public.
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saintartaud Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Professional General Artist
Yeah, I really don't know what else "kissing and rubbing" or "going further" would imply.
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claescc Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
^
And yes if a book is great and there is romance, i guess in the end doesn't everyone want it to end in sex?
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Sirius-the-Dog Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Prisoners don't.
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claescc Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Hahaha! just don't drop the soap!
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saintartaud Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Professional General Artist
It doesn't have to, though. There are plenty of books in which it is only implied or simply never gets that far, and that is fine. Could including those details add another dimension to the relationships? Sure. Depends on the story. There are cases in which it can feel tacked on.
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Isho13 Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
When reading fanfiction I look for smut on purpose, but when it comes to traditional literature, I'm almost always reading fantasy, epic fantasy, horror stories and things like that, and sex doesn't fit in that well in those stories. I don't see how it'd contribute to the story at all. Unless it's about rape or some sick fetish in a horror story. And the horror stories I read are more on the fantasy side, so I don't see that either. Apart from that, I don't think sex scenes would do well in those genres.
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Anjasa Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2012  Professional Writer
I think sex totally has a part in fantasy. I mean, it's often hinted at in series, but I'm always left wanting more.

I think a lot of really interesting character development can happen during sex, but then, I'm totally biased. It's what I write, and it's what I read.
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Isho13 Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't think a sex scene is appropiate when the world is falling apart and all the characters are dying in horrible ways from the suffering war brings, a sex scene would appear too happy in a scenario like that. That's why I usually don't like it in my fantasy books.

Another one: in a saga of books I read once, there was this romance between two characters, a girl who whose personality split, just so one of them could be with her love, and her love was a -male- witch. But even if in some way it was hinted they had sex, the style it was written made the whole thing look very innocent, and a sex scene between them would have ruined it for me. :/

I gues it's about taste, I just don't like it unless I'm reading something that revolves entirely around romance. And I don't read romantic novels often. XP
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Anjasa Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2012  Professional Writer
Well yea, it definitely depends on the tone of the novel, but not all fantasy is doom and gloom either. Though I don't necessarily think it entirely out of place, especially during high stress scenarios where characters need to blow off some steam. There were a few scenes alluded to in the War of the Spider Queen series where I would have loved it if it had gone into a bit more detail. I actually feel it would have really given me more insight into the characters.
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Isho13 Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It also doesn't help than most of the time, the main characters or what I'm reading are quit young, or even kids. XP I've never heard of the War of the Spider Queen, what genre is it?
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Anjasa Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2012  Professional Writer
It's fantasy, a Dungeons & Dragons / Forgotten Realms novel. I really enjoyed Lisa Smeadman and Elaine Cunningham's work in Forgotten Realms, and they handled sex and sexuality very well, but the still faded to black over the actual scenes.

I mean, I know it takes a special hand to write erotica - it's not easy. It's the same repetitive motions over and over, so if an author can't handle writing it, then they shouldn't.

I just tend to enjoy it is all :)
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Isho13 Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Oooh, I'm a big fan of D&D, I'll add it to my toreadwhenihavetimeandmoney list :D
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Balaria Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I tend to strew kisses and moments of nudity and affection showing in my works, though generally I don't go into much detail on the sex part.

That being said, I have nothing against such scenes and characters going all the way, so to speak. Joe Abercombie had an absolutely brilliant sex scene in one of his books that still makes me laugh when I think about it so they do have their places in books that aren't necessarily otherwise that focused on that aspect of the characters lives.
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saartha Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Sex definitely has its place. That place can be literature.

But it's definitely a preference thing. Personally, I don't mind a couple scenes of the horizontal hustle, but I'm not going to search it out in my literature either. If the characters or plot or whatever are somehow developed by sex, great. If it's just gratuitous, it kind of pisses me off that the author is wasting time meticulously detailing the act rather than getting on with the story. I'd rather a one sentence allusion than a full chapter of description.

I guess it comes down to this: If I want porn, I'll go look at/read porn. I would prefer literature to show a little more thought.
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