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Writing assistance wanted <3

:iconcourtneyvillain:
CourtneyVillain Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012
Well I'm new to poetry... I read a lot but I'd like to write more as well the ones I have written don't feel that good to me. Soooo I'd like someone to help me become a better poet and writer for both my classes and as a hobby.

A friend said I should include the fact that I'm abit young and stuff on this site to avoid like awkward situations and such o.0 soooo yea (his words not mine lol)

Anywaysss hope someone replies and can assist me please and thank you. <3
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:lock: OP request.
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:iconcarusmm:
carusmm Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
To be a poet one must live.
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CourtneyVillain Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012
Dreadfully corny <.<
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emilyericson Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I'm no critic or expert, but I know a thing or two. The things I put on DA aren't my best, but if you check out what I write and you think that I may have anything to offer you, I'm totally willing to help you out with whatever you need.
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CourtneyVillain Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012
Not sure why but you're comment sounded perverted ._. Just putting it out there

And I got what I needed O: I thought the admin lady closed this thread
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emilyericson Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Haha okay.
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SonAmyFan362 Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Professional Writer
If you wish, you can send what you need help with to me by Notes. I am willing to help out with any concerns on writing.
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Itzala Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012
If you want to get better you should read up on poetic meter and rhythm and syntax etc.. Say poems out loud and see how they sound and how it feels to say them. Also, I would advise working on writing poems in very strict forms. Not because they're better or more artistic or anything like that, but because they force you to understand how language flows and how stressed and unstressed syllables feel and sound. Also, it will help your vocabulary and grammar. You have to find words to fit into the form and organize them so it sounds good but still fits the rules. After you've become proficient at all that, you'll have a better understanding of how words and syllables effect the flow of a poem.

A lot of inexperienced poets like to write in free verse because it seems easier and more modern/artistic to them. They typically end up writing very bad poetry. People who write good free verse typically have and extremely good understanding of how their words will flow when they're read or spoken. This comes from practice and study. I use free verse as an example, but it applies to any form. Above you said that you like to write haikus. This is also a common early form, because they seem exotic and fancy and they're short. Even if you only ever want to write haikus, I'd advise you to experiment with reading and writing a wide range of forms. It will give you a feel for how those forms effect the poem and when you want a certain effect, you'll be better able to create it.

I'd also advise practicing by writing poems with little or no emotional depth. Narrative poems are good for this. It can even be a pointless narrative or simply a poetic version of a pre-existing story. It allows you to focus only on the words. Often people have a problem separating the personal emotional meaning of the poem from the quality of the poem. They look at their poems and think about the great meaning or emotion they were trying to convey, when if it lacked that connection, they might realize that it simply isn't very good. I'm not saying all your poems are like this, but everyone writes shit sometimes.

It probably sounds like I'm downplaying the artistic and emotional nature of poetry, and I am to an extent. Everyone wants to jump right into great emotional poems, but if you want them to be any good, you have to be technically proficient first. Contrary to popular belief, raw emotion doesn't make good writing; it often makes for very bad writing that doesn't make much sense.

I hope I helped
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CourtneyVillain Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012
I get what you're saying and I'm trying to put more rules in it and ye I hate free verse because I suck at it lol it sounds like crap whn I read em more like a story than a poem so I've been adding syllabic rules and such the one I'm working on now will b abit better just having a tough time finding the rhymes while staying with the syllabic meter of 5 7 5 @_@ gonna do it in rhythm like A B A so far I have one stanza done tough finding rhymes with syllable limits lol

And ye I don't care for emotional poems right off the bat its a lot harder finding then right words to em within a structure and will just sound like crap in free verse so right now I'm writing about what I truly enjoy . . . Games lol check out my new one Capital Wastleland its not perfect but its my best one in my opinion the other 3 suck they were free verse and they were my 1st ones figured I'd keep em to show my improvement
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Itzala Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012
When I say rhythm I don't mean the rhyme scheme so much as the pattern of stressed and unstressed syllables. This is a problem that I could see with writing haiku's in English. Because the form was developed in a language so different from English, it doesn't really deal with stressed and unstressed syllables in the same way that a traditional English language form would. Also, rather than just rhyming you should practice with consonance, assonance, alliteration, etc. There are many devices which poets use to effect the way words are read and spoken. It's good to practice using them all.
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CourtneyVillain Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012
Hmm thanks for the advice ill try to stick to it the best I can. Would it be ok if I note u with rough drafts and such? O:
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:iconitzala:
Itzala Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2012
I'm glad to help, feel free to send me drafts and I'll try to give you criticism when I can.
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CourtneyVillain Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2012
Kay and I want this thread shut off @_@ do u know how to? I sent a comment to fourteenthstar because I can't flipping send a note cause my blackberry is having issues after this new software update -.-
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photosynthetichuman Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Read 10,000 poems. You won't learn how to write poetry but it's a start. Afterwards write 10,000 poems. If you're lucky and have some speck of talent, there'll be a few decent ones there which you should be able to pick out after reading 10,000 poems.
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CourtneyVillain Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012
Ye that seems to be the case I wasn't good with my drawings and digital art til I practiced for about a year o:
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saintartaud Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Professional General Artist
Norton anthologies are good for an overview of the canon stuff. Anyone interested in reading/writing poetry should probably start here first. You can find plenty of journals that publish more recent work. You should be able to find a few at any bookstore in periodicals.

This is a pretty good website to check out as a reader or writer: [link]

If you want to get into formal poetry, like sonnets or haiku, then I would recommend something like Turco's Book of Forms.
Of course, many English classes or creative writing classes with some poetry component will touch on some of this stuff.

It's OK if you're still unsure about showing your work. I wrote lots of poetry in my teens that never saw the light of day. In order to improve, however, you're going to have to get over that, take the leap and just put it out there. Workshops and critique are pretty much invaluable to learning how to write and think about poetry. Everyone starts somewhere and very few people start out writing amazing stuff.
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CourtneyVillain Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012
Ye I'm working with haiku rules atm with each stanza being 5 7 5 now I'm confident in my 1st one so far O: The Capital Wasteland its on my page and I thank u for the link that helps me abit more ^^
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saintartaud Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012  Professional General Artist
Just be aware that haiku is defined by more than just the syllabic structure. It's a pretty common form for Westerners to get wrong by thinking they can write about whatever in whatever manner fits. The Wikipedia entry might help somewhat: [link]
There are a few folks on dA devated to the form. Offhand, `AbCat and `MSJames spring to mind.
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CourtneyVillain Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012
I'm not doing traditional haiku O_o if I was it would take months because haiku is generally with a painting to describe the scene and one stanza I'm only following the syllabic meters for normal poetry
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saintartaud Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012  Professional General Artist
As long as you understand that. A lot of people don't. And you seem to be thinking of a haiga; a painting is not necessary in haiku itself. I feel I should also clarify that syllabic structure is not meter. Meter refers to the rhythm of the words, or accentual structure.
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CourtneyVillain Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012
@_@ now ur confusing and no I mean syllabic meter learned it in class and I feel like ur insulting me 0_o I'm not sure if u r but the way u say " westerners " I'm from ireland ._.
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saintartaud Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012  Professional General Artist
I'm not trying to insult you, I'm trying to clarify. Syllabic structure interacts with meter, but meter is defined as something else. Possibly your teacher was wrong or just worded it poorly. It happens.

"Westerners" traditionally refers to Euro-centric culture, as opposed to Asian or "Eastern" culture. Ireland would be included in that.
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CourtneyVillain Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012
I'm aware where ireland is ._. Gah just nvm -.- thanks for the help er advice @_@ I'm so confused right now
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raspil Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012   Writer
here [link]
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:iconcourtneyvillain:
CourtneyVillain Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012
Lol ye I got the help I needed O: uhmmmmmm ye I just dun kno how to end the thread too lazy to send a request to end it lol
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raspil Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012   Writer
none of what you just wrote was funny.
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CourtneyVillain Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012
Lol thx
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CourtneyVillain Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012
Wewps wrong person replied to u n my messages what I meant to say is '' wow so harsh ''
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:iconmerrak:
merrak Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012  Hobbyist
I'm not sure what kind of assistance you're looking for. One of the best ways to grow as a writer is to seek and heed critiques. But since from your earlier replies it sounds like you're not wanting to post any works yet, another option may be to look for writing groups that have chat rooms. Maybe some groups have writing workshops online? I'm not sure where to find such rooms (maybe someone else will know), but it's a big site.
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CourtneyVillain Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012
I'm not sure anymore :l I was hoping for lik a teacher-type person thingy mabob but I think I giv up on that @_@
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Rovanna Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012   Digital Artist
You're not likely to find a random person to be a personal tutor cos this site is focused on sharing art, not mentoring. So most of us are into sharing our work and exchanging feedback. Since you don't want to share your work, I think what you probably need is a few friends who you can be critique buddies with. Generally the best way to make friends here is to share your work, socialise and read other peoples stuff, but since you don't want to post, could be tricky. Maybe do like Merrak said and post in Projects saying that you are looking to get a poetry critique group together if you don't have people irl who can help you. :)
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CourtneyVillain Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012
Its not that I don't post I have on my profile but I just don't want a lot of people seeing it and as for people irl I don't wanna share poems with my friends until they're good lol I'm a perfectionist in a way @_@ I didn't show my art to my art teacher til I was absolutely satisfied with it

(Yes I know I sound retarded)
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:iconmerrak:
merrak Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Hobbyist
Actually, I think not sharing rough drafts with friends and family is perfectly reasonable. They don't always make the best critics, and there are too many opportunities for awkward exchanges and hurt feelings. (That's not to say friends + family never make good critics. But I'd say it's certainly easier to accept rejection from a stranger, and acceptance from a stranger is more likely to be based on the merits of your work).

But be careful with the desire for your writing to be "perfect." I understand perfectionism. I have a tendency toward perfectionism myself. It's easy to set yourself up for frustration and disappointment if you set perfection as your goal. For one thing, accepting a work as "perfect" means you can never do better. This means accepting you will never grow as an artist and writer. If you're fine with having reached the peak of your craft then go for it - but accepting that you have room to improve means you almost always will improve - even if it takes time.
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CourtneyVillain Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012
I know what you're saying and ye that's the reason I dun wanna show em but to b honest ill probably nvr show my family that's just too awkward they take everything too seriously @_@

And ye I understand I just hateeeeeee being laughed at @_@ its a phobia of mine lol I'm one of those people who likes acceptance yes I know its sad but its who I am xD
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Rovanna Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012   Digital Artist
*Somehow theres a angry emote attached to that last one by accident. Ignore it, I'm not mad. :lol:
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CourtneyVillain Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012
Lol I don't care I'm used to it I'm quite annoying xP
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:iconrovanna:
Rovanna Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012   Digital Artist
I understand not showing people a rough draft, but waiting until something is 'perfect' sounds a bit counterproductive to me, cos how are you meant to get feedback to improve to make it 'perfect' if you can't show it to anyone until it is 'perfect'? ;P I found that I learned a lot more once I got over perfectionism and shyness and took a more professional approach to getting feedback.
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CourtneyVillain Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012
Yes but alas I'm not over my shyness or perfectionism lol and that makes my life perfect so far ._. Hopefully and I'm getting feedback from the world of online peoples so far O: not critiques but a few people and I think I'm improving so far :x not sure but hopefully I am if I'm not better by the time I get back from ireland then ill probably post publicly for more of an aggressive approach I guess @_@
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merrak Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012  Hobbyist
At one time there were groups (and there still may be) which operated like "schools" with their own online classes, instructors, etc. I think one was called DA university. The teachers were mostly volunteers, I believe.

The one I remember was entirely focused on visual arts. I've never heard of such a thing for literature on this site.

I think your best bet will be to try to form a writing group (I don't mean an official dA "group" - just a few peers to share work with). A good place to ask would be on the projects forum. You may need to be patient with your attempts, though. There are a lot of posts to that forum, and it will take some time to get noticed.
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CourtneyVillain Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012
I'm not interested in being noticed o.o I just wanna further my own skills for personal use and such lol not interested in sharing with a lot of people I like to keep my art to myself wether its drawings or poetry my drawing and visual arts are perfect to me but my poetry is ugly :x and I wanna try to make it perfect before I graduate from highschool n 3 years lol so I can major in the subjects I want and get into the college I want off those subjects @_@ and now I feel like I've just awkwardly shared my lifes story lol
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squirtsi Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012
If you are a bit shy, you can always look at some of the poetry groups and add them to your watch list and read the stuff they post before joining them. Also, thinking critically about what you like or don't like in someone else's poetry will help you figure out what you want to emulate and also what you don't care for. Then, when you feel more comfortable sharing your work, you can start posting to groups or to the critique forum.

I don't write poetry, so I'm afraid my advice is pretty general. I wish you luck!
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CourtneyVillain Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012
I appreciate it and that's kinda what I've been doing O: so far
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squirtsi Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012
Hmm, I'm sorry then that I can't help more. I hope you find what you're looking for.
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CourtneyVillain Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012
Its always the thought that counts ^^ and i appreciate it a lot ;D
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fyoot Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012   Writer
What kinds of poetry do you read?
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CourtneyVillain Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012
Anything that catches my eye honestly I'm not attatched to a specific genre or anything I like it all one of my favorites tho r silvia platt O:
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Rovanna Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012   Digital Artist
:iconexcitedhiplz: Welcome! you can try posting your work in here [link] to get feedback from people. There are also poetry groups around you can join.
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CourtneyVillain Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012
Uhmm I really don't wanna post my stuff to that many people o.o I'm abit on the shy side I'm just hoping a few people will b able to help me so far I have 1 awesome person willing to help O: so I'm greatful so far and thanks for the advice maybe when I'm better ill post it there
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Rovanna Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012   Digital Artist
Whatever floats your boat (Soz, I can't really help you out. I don't poetry :P) If you post in there you'll likely only get a couple of critiques, you definitely won't be flooded. You don't have to be shy here, we're all learning too. :love: but whenever you're ready.
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