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Where does nudity begin?

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Four-Skulls Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I dunno, I always figured the line between nude/non-nude was easy to figure out, but then I submitted this piece to a group:

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And was told by the mod to resubmit it under "mature" because it contained nudity. Even though there isn't any nipples/naughty-bits. I dunno, what do you guys think?
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:iconcinderblockstudios:
CinderBlockStudios Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
where clothing ends
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:iconmercury-crowe:
Mercury-Crowe Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
Nude means naked.

Nudity means contains nude things.

But groups get to set what they decide is reasonable.
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maxspider72 Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013   Traditional Artist
I don't see that as being nudity, but I could see how the mod would call it mature. It seems to me it could go both ways.

Ultimately, its the mod's decision. It up to you where to go from there. You can accept it and move on or try a different group. I've had pieces turned down by groups before too. Some decisions I accepted, but a couple groups I left after several rejections, because I realized we weren't going to see eye to eye.

By the way, it's a really nice piece! Great job! :spidey:
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Four-Skulls Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks! I've also left smaller groups after several rejections, but this is a large group. While they're a bit slow on accepting deviations, I haven't really had a problem with them until now.
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IanMcAllister Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
From my point of view,
nudity starts where your imagination is not required.

Today you can see more boops and backs im prime time
TV advertising than ever. In opposite to this circumstance,
the posted girl is really good dressed up.

lg
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:iconfirstxaidxkit:
FIRSTxAIDxKIT Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
Boops :lol:
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:iconkafine:
kafine Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013   General Artist
I can see why they categorised it as nudity, regardless of how "there are some things stuck to her body" may not make her literally naked.

1. Her veils are transparent, and it seems like you would be able to see the nipples and genitalia had you chosen to draw them in a more detailed style. I can see her blank crotch through her veil, which means her veil is not covering her nudity... If someone has no genitalia, is it impossible for them to be naked? Of course not.

2: Her outfit is clearly not designed for everyday purposes, it looks like she is a participant in some sort of burlesque show. There is no reason for her garments to be so scanty other than to display her nudity as much as possible. So you can't really complain when people notice that.

It strikes me as the sort of thing people do in a deliberate attempt to sneak nudity past censors. Not that I have any paticular problem with nudity, burlesque, or pinups. I'm all for these things. Just call a spade a spade.

I also actually like the character design, but I think you should make a decision one way or the other about whether she's going to be naked or not. The stick-on veils look a bit odd, like an awkward half-measure. If it's not important for her to be naked then you could easily rig her up a more substantial set of lingerie without detracting from the design.
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narutokunobessed Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Student General Artist
FAQ #220: What is Mature Content?


According to deviant art, that isn't nudity. Its not revealing the genitalias.
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Four-Skulls Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sucks that I can't get it overturned on that basis. I guess groups have their right to interpret that clause as they see fit.
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narutokunobessed Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Student General Artist
And think about it, its about the same as women wearing bikini's in public, is that nudity?
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:iconfour-skulls:
Four-Skulls Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Apparently to some people it is!
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:iconnarutokunobessed:
narutokunobessed Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Student General Artist
Haha.
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narutokunobessed Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Student General Artist
Yea, its group thing. I can't do anything about that, other then to say that isn't nudity to the group.
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FIRSTxAIDxKIT Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
Her vagina and tits are covered. How is that nude? I understand if a group wants to categorize something in one way or another, but to ask whether or not that's a correct definition of nudity is... well, stupid. :lol: (That last part was mostly directed to *VISIONOFTHEWORLD)
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VISIONOFTHEWORLD Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013
You are an idiot if you think nudity only means vagina and 'tits" (ehem- nipples) are what makes nudity. The entire body showing is nudity. Whether or not the gonads are fully revealed. If you saw someone walking down the street with that little covering anything, people around you would yell "Naked chick!"
Duh.
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:iconfirstxaidxkit:
FIRSTxAIDxKIT Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
No, because people aren't that fucking stupid. :pat:

nude
/n(y)o͞od/
Adjective
Wearing no clothes; naked.
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VISIONOFTHEWORLD Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013
His character isn't wearing clothes :lol:
But.. if you wanted to reply to me, then why didn't you just, I dunno- REPLY TO ME.
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FIRSTxAIDxKIT Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
Because I was repyling to the OP and was simply using your post as an example to prove my point. :pat:

I've seen bathing suits that are arguably the same as his drawing. Are bikinis not clothes? Is a G-String not a piece of clothing? Because by your logic, even if someone is wearing a G-string, they are still nude. Having your genitalia (and nipples if you're female) covered by anything other than your own hands or hair is not being nude. ;)
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Sabhira Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
even if the material covering them is see-through?
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FIRSTxAIDxKIT Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
Being nude means being completely without clothing. So yes, even if the material is transparent.
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Sabhira Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
But such an image would still require a mature tag, would it not?
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VISIONOFTHEWORLD Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013
I see nekkid.. basically censored nudity. If the entire body except for the nipples themselves and the genitalia themselves is showing, then it's still a nude person. Besides if someone is asking for it to be submitted with mature, at least they're not rejecting it altogether.
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:iconkyteglory:
KyteGlory Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013
It's close enough to nude that I can understand why a moderator would want it submitted in the mature category. Some people get really tired of people toeing the line of how little clothing they can put on a girl before she gets censored. While she may not be "technically" naked, for all intents and purposes she may as well be.
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:iconazadeth:
Azadeth Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'd say it's about as close to nude as you can get without being nude. But no, not nude exactly.
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:iconfour-skulls:
Four-Skulls Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's what I thought. It's a 1/week group though, so I doubt I'll remember it next week. It's got almost 7000 watchers, so I would rather not leave it, but I can't believe I'm having a nudity discussion on a piece that I only considered provocative at best.
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:iconazadeth:
Azadeth Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
If it really does bother you, then you might as well leave it. Besides, you've got a lot more actually nude stuff that they wouldn't take anyway.
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Four-Skulls Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh, they'll take it, it just has to be in the right folder. Just didn't think this picture required it.
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weremole Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I don't think its about where nudity begins but that each group has its own rules on top of the rules in the user agreement.

For me "nudity" and "mature" aren't always mutually exclusive.
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Four-Skulls Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I can understand that. If the group has a mature folder, and my piece has nudity in it, then I'll place it there. What my problem is in this instance is that the supposed nudity is basically the same as a bikini. I just don't see it, and I'm a little annoyed that I wasted my 1 deviation per week on something that was rejected for spurious reasons. I'm taking it up with the guy, but the decision has already been made.
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:iconweremole:
weremole Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Yeah, it's annoying when it happens but it happens.
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