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spamming art into groups

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Sachi-pon Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
there's another thread here about suggestions for sticky threads in this forum section, and one suggestion is "how to get exposure." that got me thinking about this:

i used to think negatively of people who "spam" their art into groups. by that i mean, every time they post a pic, they send it to a TON of groups. i've seen art in 30, 40, even 50+ groups. i disliked that because i thought it was kinda attention-whore-ish. i thought, 'are you actually looking at everyone else's work in all of those groups? no. so aren't you being hypocritical? you want everyone in the groups to look at your work but you don't want to look at everyone else's work in all of those many groups you submitted to.'

but... the people who do that get lots of exposure and faves. i usually don't bother with groups, but... i don't get a whole lot of faves...

so are groups SUPPOSED to be used as your own personal billboard? when groups were first introduced to da, i thought they were special- places to make friends and communicate and bond over a common interest. but it seems like everyone just uses groups as a billboard to advertise themselves. the thing is, it seems to be working for them. they're getting lots of faves and i'm not, so i might as well do the same thing, right? but i would just feel selfish looking at a group and instead of thinking "a nice place to talk and make friends and meet great artists," i'd think of nothing but "me me me me me!!!!"

idk if i'm thinking about groups the right way. are groups just billboards?? how do you all view groups?
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Starlit-Sorceress Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
Every group is different.

On one extreme, you have the groups that pick a very broad range of art (or pick every kind of art) and advertise themselves as billboards with no submission restrictions of any kind.

On the other extreme, you have the groups that stick to a veeeery narrow kind of art or topic.

I COULD spam my work to the first kind but I usually don't because it would get lost in the noise. I CAN'T spam my work to the second kind because most of it would get rejected. I have to wait until I make something that fits their topic.

The groups in the middle, though, I "spam" with no remorse. I always try hard, though, to stick to the group rules, submit the right kinds of things, and submit in the right categories, so I don't make extra work for the moderators.

There's no reason why you shouldn't "spam." It's great exposure, and you're not breaking any group rules.
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natsumoka Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Advertising always help. Each group has a different set of members (even though many of them have similar members), and naturally you'd want as many people as possible to see your work. And who knows, a certain person who likes your work might promote it to his/her friends.

I don't see the reason to limit yourself to submitting to 4 or 5 groups. What is this, some fictional medieval chivalry? It's a competitive world, holding back gains you nothing.
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KyteGlory Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012
One of the things you learn if you want to make art professionally is not to be ashamed of "art whoring." There are millions of other artists in the world, making more art than anybody wants or appreciates. If you want your art to be the art that people notice [and buy] then you've got to take every opportunity to promote yourself, even if it isn't extremely dignified. There may not be a lot of money in DeviantART, but the I-need-to-be-proactive-and-do-whatever-I-can-to-get-my-work-out-there mindset still persists.

That said, I don't particularly like to see spam in my DeviantART inbox, so I just don't join groups that promote spammers. For me, the best way to use groups is to find a handful of discerning groups, run by people who will take the time to examine all of their submissions and choose just the ones that most deserve to show up in peoples' inboxes. It'll be a lot harder to get your work accepted, but it's also a lot more rewarding when you do, because you'll be a lot more likely to get noticed than if you joined a group that spams inboxes constantly.
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1sidedownand2up Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I only submit my art to groups that have a certain amount of traffic and users on them, to me there isn't much point showing your art where nobody is likely to see it.
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autumnlit Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012
I've been thinking a lot about that lately too. In the beginning I joined a bunch of groups, but then felt bad that I couldn't contribute to all of them so I left a bunch. After some time I tried out a few other groups, but I'm not very talkative and I don't always have the time to look at others work, I can only do what I can. I've got a family to take care, goals to achieve, people I'm already watching. Now I just figure, if a group lets me submit something, then I'm grateful they do. If someone comments and favs I say thank you and I appreciate it. If I don't get any response from the few groups I submit to I go ahead and submit to more groups. I am trying to get my art out there and I do hope to become published one day, so why make rules against sharing art? Unless the group has a rule, then that's their thing, but people shouldn't be made to feel bad that they are trying to share their hard work, in my opinion. It's a busy world and everyone here is busy. Some have more time than others. I come across stuff every now and then that I really like and it's more special than feeling obligated to comment on all the work in one group. So I just spread it out. Plus, not everyone in one group may like what I have to offer or notice it. How else are we supposed to meet new people or find people who might be truly really into what we're about? You just have to put yourself out there. I've seen people put their work into 100 groups per deviations too, I have not gone that far yet, but I don't think bad of them. I think it's their art that should be important, not judging them for something silly about clicking buttons on a website. Those are my views on it. :heart:
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CinderBlockStudios Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
you also need to account for request for a piece to be in a group. Chances are someone didn't submit to that many groups, but rather other groups including a piece into their gallery.
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wezenbeesje Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Professional General Artist
I use groups to place my art in more categories (like colourful, so if people look for something colourful, they can find my art), but I refuse my art getting placed in "accept all art" groups, because I don't see the point in doing that. It feels too much like spamming and is like a smaller version of deviantart. It's too random.
Anyway, I like to look at art in groups I like, with a certain theme and to belong there.
But it's not really possible to make friends in groups because they don't have forums so you can't talk about your favourite subjects!! Which is very annoying.
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Rizhnir Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012
I don't send my stuff en masse as I have seen many others do, but those groups than I do submit to, I also watch them for stuff I like and will comment on.

Groups seem to be a tool for artists to find each other amidst the gajillions of submissions that DA gets everyday. In that sense, I see nothing wrong with using groups as a bridge to others.
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Bomu Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Nice topic! I felt the same as the OP- getting annoyed at people spamming groups for attention. But it's got the the stage whereby artists need to promote their stuff any way they can- there's nothing wrong with that :D So many great DA artists now that it seems like a good idea to have ways to promote yourself by targeting a market audience.

I'm not one of the top artists on DA, but I want an audience and feel I deserve at least small one. I don't want my ego stoked, but want to interact with people who comment on and take an interest in my work :)
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Hawkbit Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Gruops are there to show you art I donīt understand where the problem is. When you are not popular you need some place to show your art..And the good thing when you go into groups you find the right audience which is interested in you art...everything you do to get yourself arround can be seen as spam.

And of course in my groups I find a lot of art I prefer to see. Iīm not really interested in the popular stuff (like anime or MLP) so itīs much more easy for me to search in groups.

I wouldnīt say gruops are useful for networking. Most of the groups I know have a gallary and rules thátīs all. Most of the people I talk to I find when I give comments on art...then start talking and so on.
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puppy-dangerous Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
Well, a group is made to share and expose work.

In a sense, yes, it is your personal billboard. As long as you are posting things that are appropriate to the group.

Yes, they should also exist for networking. And they kind of do, whether they are actively doing it or not. Members see eachothers work. Other people see a collection of similar work and whatnot and may follow individual artists, use it to find people to commission, etc.

They are what the mod makes them.
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rave-kunn Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
My artwork sometimes never actually really gets noticed it's pretty sad sometimes since i've spent some time on it and it just doesn't get attention. I just submit mine to like say 5-6 groups...but not all of them get accepted so in the end...like 4 groups?
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
It depends how different the groups are, but the sheer amount of people in popular groups means that generally the more groups one spams to the more people will see one's art. If I see an image in a group inbox that I've seen before I instantly delete the thumbnail, which I'm sure most other people do also.
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AkaNezumi Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I don't think it's a bad thing to do that. I'm sure people don't only do that to be attention-who*es. They want feedback on their art, so they submit it to different groups. I know how it feels to submit artworks, but there's no way people would comment on it because of low watchers or the popularity problem. Therefore, I submit to several groups to have my artwork to actually be seen by people and get some feedback or critiques to improve. I've done a lot of that in the beginning, but now that I've gathered a few more watchers, I got a little lazy with the process of submitting my art to different groups. I'm just satisfied that my watchers are able to see my artwork. It's not a lot of people, but it's still satisfying x) cuz i do still get some feedback from them

Everyone has to start off somewhere. And they do things like this to have their art be exposed. There's nothing wrong with that. People don't just upload artworks and not have anyone sees it. They upload it because they want to share it to the world, that's all :))
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xxEvilBlondiexx Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
For more general art groups I try not to send more then one or two pictures at a time, but I don't really feel bad about sending a lot of pictures to more specific groups like specific characters, fandoms, ect. since I figure anyone looking at those groups is wanting to find a place that has a large collection of that specific thing and the ones I've joined are ones I like too so I've actually looked at a good bit if not all of other people's art there.
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phoenixleo Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
When something is in 20 to 40 groups and has 2 to no comments or faves, I really wonder, does the person ever think maybe something is wrong in their part? :lol:

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Cnids Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I usually submit to around 5 maximum, though it's generally lower. I find people who spam a lot of groups to be really obnoxious.
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LadyKuki Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Student General Artist
I'm kinda guilty of the spamming part... I submit my stuff to like around... 20 groups or so?

Granted, if I find a picture that I like, and if I have enough time, then I'll comment/fave, but then again, I kinda have high standards on the kinds of stuff I fav.

I feel kinda bad for not checking everyone's work. But I get like over a thousand deviations a day, so yeah. >.<
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shinjistar Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
normally i submit my art into about 10~15 groups at the most (and those are only for pictures i feel like i have really worked hard on, not all my art)...& those are groups i actually follow xD
sure some of the "we-accept-all" groups are just for some more exposure/views, but then again, i feel like that is the purpose of those types of groups...right? ^^"

but otherwise, all the anime/manga/music/character related groups i follow, i think those are actually meant for people who have the same interests to share ideas & opinions, become friends, make/enter contests, etc.

i think the most i've submitted to a group at a time was like 4~5 pictures though...i submit some every now and then, but not all at once so as to spam everyone's inboxes =___=
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Sachi-pon Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
i don't understand the point of those accept-all groups... people join them to see all kinds of art? well they can just look on da's front page. XDDDD

10-15 is not THAT much. i wouldn't say you're "spamming." but the "spammers" get more attention so maybe they have the right idea...
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shinjistar Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
haha, i really don't get the original point of them either, but i think everyone just thinks of them as free publicity groups now (i'm guilty of this LOL)

hmmmm you know, even if spammers get more views, i'd rather have 1 view from someone who genuinely likes my artwork over 5 view from people who clicked on it just because they were bored (or simply saw it in their inbox since a spammer posted it) :p
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Cirprius Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I post my pictures to groups, but not all of them. I actually have a lot of fun with them, and enjoy looking at what other people post in the groups. Granted, pretty much all of the groups I'm in are fan groups for video games etc. I have no clue how or why people would post to 50+ groups, it sounds like that would be a lot of work to get noticed, especially since not all of those groups could possibly have a lot of watchers in them. I always assumed that the thumbshare forum was the best place to post if you wanted to get seen by more people.
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Sachi-pon Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
it's good that you look at what others post in groups as opposed to only seeing it as something for yourself.

okay i do know that sometimes, groups ask an artist to put a work into their gallery. but still yeah i think mostly, people just submit stuff to groups. yeah it seems like it would take a long time lol. but hey if it works for them them good for them. XD

i'll check out the thumbshare forum. i've been there only a little bit. ^__^U
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Cirprius Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Of course! The way I figure it, if I join groups I like that are dedicated to a subject I like . . . how could I possibly go wrong? I get to post things that people want to see and they in turn, post the things I want to see. It's a beneficial unsaid trade.

Yeah I have seen that before. I find it annoying to be honest, but yes . . . if it works for them then fantastic! I just feel that mass submissions would get a bit boring.

It's pretty fun! I don't do too much there, but from what I've seen it can be a neat way to show others what you have quickly without joining groups and after the .005 seconds of a picture on the main page has passed.
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Blackrosekane89 Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Professional General Artist
I do add my stuff to groups to share my work(normally 5 or 6 at the most) and I really don't find I get that much feedback. Maybe a few people, but nothing more. I do comment on other's work as well.

I personally like the thumbshare forum better for feedback, critiques, meeting new artists and giving feedback to others. I've met some pretty cool artists that way.
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Sachi-pon Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
hmm i haven't been in thumbshare that often. i'll go there more, thanks!
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Mew-Sumomo Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Student General Artist
I guess it would depend on the groups. Admittedly I tend to submit work to a bunch of we-accept-everything groups for a few extra views, but I submit a lot less to specific groups that have to do with a certain type of art, a band, or something like that. 30+ groups is a bit much to submit the same stuff to over and over again, yeah. There are better ways of networking around here and getting more feedback though.
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Sachi-pon Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
yeah i want to try other things other than submitting to many groups. (and yet, i know someone who submits to a lot of groups and they got a lot of watchers even though they haven't been on da very long >___< )
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Sachi-pon Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
also... the thread in this section about selling commissions, and the person who said they had trouble selling them... reading responses in that thread got me thinking that if you want to be popular, you HAVE to run around going "look at me, look at me" i mean how much do you have to do that without going overboard and seeming desperate? i just wonder if i don't expose my art enough. but i don't want to annoy people with "look at me look at me look at me and my amazing art you have to see it right now look look look" i wonder if i just have the wrong idea. maybe it's good to be like that, maybe all the successful artists are like that.
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phoenixleo Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2012
You need to have a balance. If you go 'look at me look at me' and go overboard with it like Rebecca Black, that's completely up to you how you want to be viewed by others - negatively or irritating most likely. Keep a fair balance. The whole deal with promoting artwork isn't always 'look at me' part.
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