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Tips for laying out a composition?

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izayummikiwi Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I find that I really have a hard time laying out the image when I first start an art piece. I do try to make thumbnails, but I still have some trouble making interesting compositions.

I do know of the Rule of Thirds bit. I also know other little things, like the fact that it's tougher to make an interesting composition with an even number of focal points, or that line and shape can be used in order create or draw the eye towards focal points.

Do you have any tips of your own? What's your method for creating a composition? Do you lay down a grid (according to the Rule of Thirds)? How do you use line and shape to create an interesting composition?
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slategreen Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
My method is just to keep in mind all the overall shapes in a composition. Most people don't overlap things enough. Here's a great post by James Gurney on overlapping: [link]

But basically I keep in mind all the shapes--whether it's a girl shape or a lion shape or a teacup shape. It helps to have one big shape, a medium shape, and a small shape, and to avoid asterixes... points of tension where two shapes don't overlap quite enough (creating an "asterix" in the drawing stage). Not exactly a rule of thirds, but three elements tend to do better than two, which can be a bit imbalanced. Or if there are far more than three elements, then grouping them into three groups of elements (such as in a battle scene) can be useful.

Anyway, these are the things that are most useful for me to create pictures... hopefully there's a nugget or two in there that's useful to you. :)
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izayummikiwi Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Very helpful, thank you!
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Fernoll Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
Of all the aspects of art, you ask about the one that's the hardest to explain, even moreso on an internet forum.

I don't use the rule of thirds in my work, it fits more into photography than drawing.

What i do is make little sketches, amphasizing colors over shapes. I fill areas with colors so i have a basic idea where the "darks" and "brights" should be, again, no shapes.
Then i make a bigger sketch, again building it all up by coloring- the shapes appear on their own in time. Making contrasts of dark and bright colors can do well for composition, althought it's not the ultimate rule.
Try doing a research of your own and use the tutorials others have put here.
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Brian-Garabrant Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Research the golden spiral and rule of thirds more.
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Quatre4 Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Student General Artist
Hard question indeed since I'm still learning this as well lol. But I'm sure you've studied all those other ways like form, grids and rule of thirds etc. But I think there is a better way of going about it. I'm in no way of pioneering this but it help drastically understand the concept. Study from people who do this for a living! Study from your favorite films. The people who film don't just happen to film in some random area, they have a plan and have done composition thumbnails to get good shots. So watch some of your fav films and pause the film and do thumbnail sketches of the major portions that make composition, aka background, middle ground and foreground. If you notice all shots have some sort of this relationship. Sketch the scene, and try to understand why the director chose those shots. Trust me it helps a bunch, the more you do them. Hope I helped.
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xNatje Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Student General Artist
Make little quick sketches with different compositions. Look at how other artists work with compposition, learn the rules, try to break the rules aswell. you can do centered pieces, but you can try to go away from it aswell.
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FriendlyHand Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Hi,
Here are some articles that I found helpful:

concept art composition tips with examples: [link]
23 pages of paintings and composition tips: [link]
portrait composition and rhythm: [link]
photographic composition tips with images: [link]

What are "tangents" and how to avoid them: [link] [link] I find the tangent articles very interesting.
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izayummikiwi Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Very helpful! I never knew about the tangents thing, although I have been annoyed by those kinds of things in my artwork before.

Thank you!
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FriendlyHand Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
You're very welcome! The tangent guidelines have helped me to identify and correct many potentially distracting problems in my work.
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FIRSTxAIDxKIT Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Professional Interface Designer
I prefer the grid system. Also, when I'm doing thumbnails and trying to figure out which one I want to pursue, I turn the paper upside down and sideways to see if it's still interesting. Diagonals are also great for creating dynamic compositions, but I'm not saying make every piece skewed and diagonal.
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