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Deviant Art is not Avant-Garde...or is it?

:iconillastrat:
illastrat Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
I am one of DA's most avant-garde and advance painters. I see a lot of manga and digital on DA. Why don't they carter to sophisticated artists such as myself. Instead I see a lot of digital and manga.

We need more stuff like this....

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:iconstarlit-sorceress:
Starlit-Sorceress Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
DeviantART caters equally to any artist that wants to post their art, whether they draw manga or paint "sophisticatedly".
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LizanaBee Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2012   Traditional Artist
If you do want to be taken seriously, illastrat, it might help to first edit your post. Simple spelling errors certainly don't lend to your credibility as an advanced painter. Also, if you feel that others need to have an art degree to critique your work, perhaps you should have one as well to claim that your work meets the expectations of a particular time period.

Furthermore... should this style truly be what you love and are passionate about, then it shouldn't matter what else is on dA. Create your art and if others like it, they'll comment on it and share it. If you would like to improve your art, then ask for critiques. If you don't care for other people's art, then you don't have to visit their pages. Simple process.

You can play in the sandbox just like everyone else without having to claim that your toys are better than theirs.

Just sayin'.
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VelvetFish Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2012  Student Filmographer
THIS.
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VelvetFish Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012  Student Filmographer
you wouldn't know avant-garde if it bit you in the Dada.





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Sabhira Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I lol'd :lol:
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:iconvelvetfish:
VelvetFish Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2012  Student Filmographer
:bow:
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:iconlizanabee:
LizanaBee Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2012   Traditional Artist
Btw... your comment made me giggle SOOOO much. Thank you for tickling the cockles of my art-history heart. :aww:
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VelvetFish Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2012  Student Filmographer
hehe anytime. xD
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:iconpainted-bees:
painted-bees Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
we don't want your freaky deeky variety. Take it to an art gallery with a curator who cares :smoking:
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opiumtraum Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012
I wasn't aware that dA catered specifically to one type of art over another, that would seem to me to totally contradict their mandate. The amount of manga & digital art would seem to me to reflect the artistic population at dA, & their preferences, not dA's. I find it sad & a little ironic that you would complain about dA catering to a specific type of art, then turn around & suggest that they cater to the type of art you prefer- and based on your example, your art specifically. Where would that leave all those manga & digital artists? And photographers? And sculptors? Graphic designers?...
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ArtofJeffHebert Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I'd like to know what "credible" people put you on this pedestal you currently reside. Show some humility my friend. How many galleries have you been shown in?
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ArtofJeffHebert Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I'd like to know what you see as new and exciting in your work also.
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Officialpoypoy Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student General Artist
I DONT LIKE YOUR ATTITUDE.

I WANT U TO RESPECT PPL SHARING THEIR ART CUZ YOU DO THE SAME.

RESPECT THEM AND THEY WILL RESPECT YOU.

YOUR PHILOSOPHICAL AND SMART ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND.
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:iconillastrat:
illastrat Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
i don;t even know what you are trying to say?????
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:iconnatsumoka:
natsumoka Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
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:iconillastrat:
illastrat Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
agreed
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:iconmj-johnson:
MJ-Johnson Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
:XD: Yes~
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:iconmj-johnson:
MJ-Johnson Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I'm probably replying out of spite. Probably. Being one of those manga artists who's getting in the way of... a "genius". Or maybe I'm just mad that you have such a bloated ego on the internet.

Sorry bro... You're not.

Sorry to say fine art isn't that popular on DA from what I've seen. I take an interest in various art forms myself, and would like to see more well done fine art... But you are not the fine artist the medium needs in order to get well known.

I looked at your picture, taking your word that it looks better enlarged... It looks better thumb nailed. You don't see the anatomy mistakes, the neglect of color theory or the use of randomly splattered on flicks of color to try and give the impression of being more arty. The use of light and shadow is either grossly neglected or you simply don't know what you're doing. It's not stylized enough to be abstract. It's too exaggerated to be called realism. Overall, it seems like it's just not well done at all.

Ah. Just basing off of this picture, by the way. I've seen a few others. Something with a wall, a waterfall, and other things you've done while messing with MSPaint and photoshop. Or whatever.

You lack a sense of volume, perspective and mature simplicity to really pull off half of what you seem to try and accomplish. There's things in your works that personally make me twitch. If you were a beginning artist, I would easily understand. I'd probably suggest a few artists to you, give you what advice I could and hope you get better.

But I won't. I'm too bitter and annoyed towards you to bother.

I'll admit I have little experience with fine art. I've had paintings, I've met painters. Hell, I have fine artists in my family ironically enough but I can't name of a list of artists, I can't tell you in depth art history and I can't name fads of art or political statements made at a certain point.

Hell, I'll even go as far as to admit that I'm not the best. I'm just barely reaching a comfortable understanding of the human anatomy, expression and color. My experience with environments, objects and contrast is lacking and, among other various faults of mine, I have trouble finishing a piece.

I can't say I'm the best.

I can, however, tell you that you need a lot of work done before you can call yourself anything akin to "advanced". You're mediocre at best. Others may disagree with me. This could simply be my spite talking and my not being at all rational about this. But I can live with that.
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Fernoll Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012
Bud, i have a sneaking suspicion this man is some kind of troll. Just look at his profile for the reasons he joined DA.
If i'm wrong, and this guy is serious... Well, let's just say i run to the bathroom everytime i hear that self important speech so common to lowly art merchants that pose themselves as artists/critics. Bleh!
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:iconmj-johnson:
MJ-Johnson Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
He probably is. :/ Or just really stupid and narrow minded not used to being seriously critic'd. People like that always have bigger egos than they're normally entitled to. At least in my experience.

I really shouldn't keep arguing with these types, but they always manage to push just the wrong buttons with me...
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:iconfernoll:
Fernoll Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012
Of course it pushes your buttons, if i work hard on some piece and suddenly some bloated fart who rapes canvases with paint tells me something about my skills, i'd get pissed off too.

Just one of the reasons i consider post modern "artists" as my mortal enemies on the field.
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:iconphilliewig:
Philliewig Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Don't worry. We're not all as bad as he is. :la:
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:iconmj-johnson:
MJ-Johnson Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
*chuckles in her corner*

I try not to group people, but if all "post modern" artists (whatever that means!) are like this, I probably would too.

He says his work sells... My heart broke, man.
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:iconillastrat:
illastrat Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
Thanks but if you can't name any fine artists then you can't speak on fine art. Also you are not at the level of artistry for your opinion to even be taken seriously. Sorry. Based on your work you have no credibility. Stay in school and work had. You are speaking about something you have no idea about at this moment.
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Philliewig Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
One doesn't need an art degree to judge whether a piece is aesthetically pleasing or not. I'm sorry, but even though your philosophy is refreshing, your attitude is quite poisonous.
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:iconillastrat:
illastrat Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
its not my attitude. This is about credibility. She is just not credible enough to make an educated observation of my art. That all I am saying. Yes she can make a judgment about it. But honestly, its not credible based on her limited knowledge and lack of ability. Also, i doubt she is even old enough to value what I do. Not trying to be a nuisance. Just saying.
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Philliewig Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
So by that reasoning, you'd be saying that Francis Bacon (an Abstract Expressionist who had no education other than schooling in interior design) would not be a credible observer, regardless of the works he had produced? And what of John Deakin? By your standards, they would not be either artists or credible judges of what is "art". You claim to be fighting back against the "boureois" of the art community, yet your elitist views are only worsening the reputation of modernist and post-modern artists here on dA.

This isn't an issue of you being a nuisance, it's an issue of you being an asshole with a holier-than-thou attitude.
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:iconmj-johnson:
MJ-Johnson Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Just felt I should do this, as I appreciate your understanding and your knowledge regarding this.

:Huggle:

Probably a bit invasive, but I really do appreciate it. Thank you.
And feel free to check out my gallery as ~illastrat suggested. I'm not... horribly scared. :XD:
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:iconphilliewig:
Philliewig Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
:huggle:

While it's not my cup of tea, I can appreciate the time and effort you put into your pieces.
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:iconmj-johnson:
MJ-Johnson Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
:iconhappyblushplz: Thank you very much! I like your stuff too~ I hope to see more of it soon.
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:iconillastrat:
illastrat Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
I don't think i am an asshole. If you critique critique. BUt Youko-MJ is not John Deakin and she definitely aint Francis Bacon. She can critque but if she doesn't have the work nor knowledge base to back it up then i am not going to listen. I don't see how that is elitist. Thats smart. Have you checked out her work?
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:iconmj-johnson:
MJ-Johnson Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I can speak on it plenty. You don't have to be a fine artist to spot mistakes. It's a very simple matter.

"Does it look appealing? No? Why?"

It's like me turning around and saying "You have no experience in anime art, your opinion can't be taken seriously. Maybe if you did MY art more, you'd get it."

That's not how it works.
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illastrat Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
you can speak but you are not credible and you have proven you know nothing about art by your lack of knowledge and your subpar art.
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:iconmj-johnson:
MJ-Johnson Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I know plenty. I've been drawing for ten years and have been taught a bit BY a fine artist. You're standards of needing formal education doesn't mean squat when it comes to actually knowing what the hell you're doing.

And... just so I can toot my own horn, I think I do much better art than you. :/ I can at least draw my plants well enough to tell what they are in my work.
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:iconillastrat:
illastrat Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
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:iconmj-johnson:
MJ-Johnson Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Oh. And were you 15 or 18 when you drew this. The title and the artist comments give conflicting information. (Just sayin')
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illastrat Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
i was 15...they 18 is a typo
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MJ-Johnson Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
:/ Your tonings too harsh, the scribbles at the bottom for the "shadow" take away from the over all quality, it's incomplete, the hair looks dull... something about the right leg bothers me, it looks too straight...

Unless those were all things you picked up from the photo/model you were drawing from.

Unfortunately, as stated before, I don't do fine art, so I really can't post up a fair comparison.
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illastrat Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
that...

or

this....


Also i didn't use a reference
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thisismyboat Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Do you have to be able to name any fine chefs to know if the food tastes bad?
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:iconmj-johnson:
MJ-Johnson Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Thank you~ :hug:
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:iconillastrat:
illastrat Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
If you are a food critic...yes. They are giving me a critique based off of limited art history knowledge and their poor skill in art.
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MJ-Johnson Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Oh... I'm sorry. I didn't know I needed to know art history to know your anatomy is crap. Or you have a poor choice in colors. I need to know history to know you're applying theory wrong.
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illastrat Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
crappy anatomy....draw at 15 years old.
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illastrat Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
just your opinion. my art sells. That all i care about.
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:iconphilliewig:
Philliewig Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Who exactly have you sold your work to? For how much?
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:iconillastrat:
illastrat Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
Various people. My prices vary, but i am not gonna toot my horn. But i've decide that i am not going to sale for under 2,000 at this point in my career. My time is worth entirely way too much.

But yeah, i already know you are a fan. Stop pandering. I can not be great one moment then shit the next.
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:iconmj-johnson:
MJ-Johnson Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
And with that... my faith in humanity drops just a bit.

Have a good day.
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Fernoll Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012
Just because your art sells, it doesn't make it good.
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:iconmj-johnson:
MJ-Johnson Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
All of this :heart:
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