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How to get clean, thin , lineart in SAI?

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MirrorKey Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So my lineart is pretty thick. I want to make it thinner and cleaner, but whenever I use the lineart tool, it just looks pixely. My drawings are done on a 5000x5000 canvas at 75 ppi. I use a wacom bamboo capture. Do you have any tips?
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YUIR0 Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Use a canvas of 3000x3000 with a brush that is 1.0 in size. Make sure you use the brush tool - on the side note if you don't have a tablet that might explain?-
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MirrorKey Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I wrote that i have a tablet ^^; :D But I tried that, and my lineart looks pixely
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YUIR0 Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Anything could happen like you broke you tablet.  What tool do you use?
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MirrorKey Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I use the lineart tool
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bolsterstone Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2013   General Artist
Just re-read what you wrote, and I noticed that you did say that you used the lineart tool.  So, I had to re-think my answer.  Line art will always look pixelled when you zoom in.  I think you might be worrying a little too much about it.
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MirrorKey Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If you say so ^^
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bolsterstone Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2013   General Artist
Have you tried using the vector drawing tool in Sai yet?  It really helps to clean up the line art.  Yes, it means going over your lines again after you drew them, but it also means that you get a chance to improve your hand-eye coordination. ;-)
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Cujjo Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hello!

My best advice for lineart is to try different tools until you find one that suits you. As for me, I realized that when I used brown instead of black when doing my lineart, it went much better. It sounds strange, but I guess that everyone finds their tricks with time.

However, if you have Skype, I could sit down with you and chat for a while - Showing some things that I have learned. Maybe you will find something useful. Please just send me a note if you are interested.

Good luck anyway! Best way of improving is practicing!
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MirrorKey Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're right, maybe the lineart tool is overrated :D
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used-rugs Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013   General Artist
Are you using photoshop? SAI is better for lineart, and also i would recomment drawing by hand, as it's usually smoother and looks more natural and nicer (at least in my opinion)

Theres a .7px brush on sai, and i can get thin and super small details in with a canvas half your size, so if you're not usuing already, i really recommend it. 

Also, just something i realize (or maybe its a result from my paranoia) on photoshop (more often than sai), if you save, close and open it a lot, random 'dirt' pixels will show up (well it usually is just one random pixel that floats in random space, but it bothers me), so either keeping it open, or drawing lineart all in one go is probably better if you want REALLY clean lineart. 
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used-rugs Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013   General Artist
sorry, just realized you did say sai. 
but i do have more to add anyways. You can always colour in you lineart (i'm not sure how to do it on sai, but there might be some tutorials on here), if you do, it'll make the lineart less visible (or even appear to have no distinctive lines) if you colour it the same as the colour you filled in with. 

Also, if you're using the vector tool for lineart, i think you can change the linewidth just by clicking the 'weight' button.  
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MirrorKey Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you for the great advice! If I were to hand draw something and color it digitally, how would I keep the colors looking natural? I guess what I'm asking is how can I seperate the lineart from the paper?
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weremole Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
You can also just draw the lineart on its own layer to begin with.
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eLeexir Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2013
in sai, you could also go to "Layer" on the menu on top, and select "luminance to transparency"
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MirrorKey Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks :D
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used-rugs Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013   General Artist
An easier way would be put you lineart layer at the top and set it to multiply, add colour underneath the lineart layer.

I'm not sure you can separate lineart from the paper on SAI.. or at least i don't know how. 
but If you know how to use the wand/select tool, you'd need to select the lineart (or select the nonlineart and inverse the selection might be easier) then copy + paste it to another layer. Then you add a layer below that layer, delete the original layer. 
it might be too light/messy, so you might need to duplicate the lineart several times (change layer settings to multiply), erase/add things where the selection tool couldn't get. 

But the photoshop way of separating lineart is much easier, so if you have it it'd be easier to use that for this. 

Keep what colours looking natural? the actual colours, or if you colour the lineart?

And no problem! glad i could help :happybounce:
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MirrorKey Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ah, I see what you mean. What I meant was that when you use the wand tool to select the inside of a paper lineart without seperating it, the result is the color borders being messy and too sharp.
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NepetaLejionh33h33 Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2013  Student Digital Artist
you could always use a bigger canvas and a smaller brush size!! :33
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MirrorKey Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
See that's the highest my canvas size will go... And my problem is that whenever I use a thin brush, it gets all pixely and wierd.
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StripeKitten Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I Cant Figure It Out, Either.
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MirrorKey Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know right? It's so annoying how people like :iconeclaratis: are so awesome at stuff like that :iconughhplz:
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StripeKitten Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist

Yeah.

 

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kiri-no-tanuki Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013
Definitely try working at a higher dpi/ppi. You're working at a really low resolution that is good for viewing on the internet but impossible to print well. Linework also needs much higher dpi/ppi to make it look smooth, whether it's digital or you're scanning in traditional inks. Try working at 300 or 600 dpi. 

If you want to post your artwork on the internet afterwards, save a copy of the finished image by going through Save For Web. Save For Web will give you options on whether to save it as a jpg, gif, or png, AND instantly resize resolution for 72 dpi. 
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MirrorKey Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Okay, thank you!
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Mageil Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013  Student General Artist
Have you tried to adjust the Min Size slider? It adjusts the thickness of the brush at lowest pressure, which is what I think you're trying to say? Use the pen tool and see if that helps you.
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MirrorKey Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Okay :D
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gloopdeer Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013  Student General Artist
Hm
Well I usually start with a canvas the size of 3200x2600 px with the resolution at 200 pixels per inch..
How thin are you trying to go?
Also, I think if you turn up the resolution more, it helps, but I'm not sure??
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MirrorKey Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Maybe :D I'll try that (btw, im trying not to get down to 1 pixel, but maybe 10 pixel :)
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gloopdeer Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013  Student General Artist
Mkay! Yeah, I usually have my minimum size around 3%, the size around 40-ish?? And I press pretty lightly
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MirrorKey Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
See, my problem is that I have to have at least a 50% min size, because my pressure change so drastically every time I adjust my hand ^^; If you look at you can see I have a pretty thick lineart, compared to and people like that :D
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gloopdeer Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013  Student General Artist
That happens for me too. I just have to re-draw lines a ton of times ;o;
Yeah, I don't understand how people can have such small pictures with such small lines, but have it look great. ;;
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BaikoBits Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
The small pictures with small linework thing is mostly folks sizing the piece down after they finish, I believe.  Lots of folks do that, so I'm told. :)
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gloopdeer Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2013  Student General Artist
Ohhh, I see.
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MirrorKey Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know right?? When my art is next to hers, I'm just like :iconcrycryplz:i suck lol
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J0RSH Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013
ok!  be super careful when u evaluate urself like that!  it can be totally damaging!   just practice and work really hard and ur brain will do the rest.  seriously, that's how it works. u just have to make sure u do the work!  so don't beat urself up too hard, over something that u definitely have the ability to change ^^  *pats back*
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MirrorKey Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I would just hate to be an over-confident jerk though. I like my art, I just think it needs improving :D :iconhugplz:
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gloopdeer Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013  Student General Artist
Shoosh your art is good UvU
I think your coloring and shading and stuff is all good, I just think that it's how you do your lines combined with the tablet you're using, and the settings in general. I just try to draw thin lines, and erase extra parts and re-do everything like 5 times
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MirrorKey Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah... maybe I'm just lazy? Cause I only do my lineart once over, unless something is really bothering me ^^;
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