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Reference from Manga Arts

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shoumakyou Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Student Digital Artist
First I'm concentrating on anime drawings, and almost all
are girl drawing.

then,
Is it okay to use someone's art as reference.
I just need the posture. Will that count as stealing?

Basically, just the body structure and hand gestures.
Everything else would be changed, eyes, hairstyle, color,
clothes, etc... I'm still thinking if it's legal or not.

I'm having a hard time learning from ball joints drawing.
It's a hard task. And somewhere down the line I'm having a
feeling that I'm doing some stuffs wrong.

I don't have anyone to teach me about drawings. And tutorials
are very informative. But I really want to learn as quickly
as possible.

I'm also thinking of using the reference pics to trace back the basic skeletal lines and joints. It'll help me learn more
rather than making my own at this point plus I believe it'll
be faster.

My drawings still looks stiff and most of them lacks a good
flow of the character. And I still need to work on my colouring and backgrounds but this stuffs should be put first.

Sorry for the long post. I removed a lot of stuffs as much
as possible without straying too much from the topic.
Thank you very much.
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straightx Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I really think you should learn traditional anatomy. This way you won't need references and can make up your own.
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Black-Allison Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013
It's not illegal persay, some people will call you out for being an scummy artist. I mean you could just like you know, learn how to draw.

Basically it's nothing illegal, but don't get upset if people laugh at you.
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WindHydra Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If you are tracing (even for just the anatomy), I think some people will consider it as stealing the pose. No matter how general a pose is, there are still infinitely many angles for the same pose, so it's hard to end up with the exact same one. Just try searching for something like "archer aiming" or "playing violin."
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shoumakyou Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Thank you very much. Yes, I really feel like stealing even if it's just the pose
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jan-scolors Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Uhmm...Ang alam ko kasi dapat acknowledge mo pa rin yung source kahit pose lang. Basta siguro acknowledge mo yung reference ok lang :) Tsaka indicate mo na gusto mong mas mabilis matuto sa structures kaya mo trinace kapag ipost mo :) Ok na siguro yun. Masyado ka namang strict sa sarili mo hehe :)
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shoumakyou Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Student Digital Artist
thank you very much. I usually do general pose. I was thinking of making it a bit more harder. I can't get any idea flowing since yesterday. I've been drawing pose bit by bit but can't get a read.

I'm thinking they might get angry if we use our native language. But I'm really grateful for the post. I'll wait for other feedbacks as well.
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jan-scolors Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
No problem :) You should try drawing in different angles then. Anatomy changes with the angle.

I understand :) Won't pose in Fil now :)
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shoumakyou Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Student Digital Artist
sorry about that. And yes I'm considering of drawing in different angles.
most of the stuffs I draw has a very limited angle and pose.
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jan-scolors Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
:) you should try. it's also a good practice but a bit harder :)
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Munuci Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Student General Artist
I guess you could compare it to using a base? Though you actually draw it 'yourself', still, I wouldn't.. do it. I think you're better off using actual photo references, and stylize those if you wish to do so, or maybe even take pictures of yourself in said pose (unless you're male wanting to draw females, it's possible but eh)

I would link you this one site that I know of but I can't seem to remember what it's called, but it's like a thing where they put a timer (you get to choose the amount of time) and it basically does a little slideshow kind of thing where you have x time to draw the pose/gesture/body/whatever. Will most likely help you improve. (though this is one of those things I tell other people to do but then I don't do it myself, but srs, it's helpful, lol.)

It helps you quickly sketch out the gesture and I guess flow of the body if you do it the right way, which might help you with that.

[link] - this isn't the one I'm talking about, but it's similar.
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shoumakyou Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Thank you very much.

The link looks very helpful. I'm thinking that drawing actual photo reference into anime reference is a bit hard. Oh and taking pictures of myself as a reference is sounds a bit odd and it'll be harder to change into anime pose; moreover a female (since I'm a male).

I've thought about using actual photo's as reference but the huge disparity between human anatomy and anime anatomy is overwhelming.

I'm actually taking reference in a japanese manga that shows a lot of skin but isn't indecent with a well placed and acceptable figure. I'm not going to do it forever just until I get used to his style and figure that I can make one myself without looking through his works. maybe a month or less with my time.
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Munuci Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Student General Artist
What you need to take in account, though, is when you draw from an already existing anime picture, you're teaching yourself to draw warped anatomy, which in the end won't be helping you at all, and it'll only be harder to teach yourself proper anatomy of an actual human body. Of course you're allowed to do whatever you wish, but I doubt it'll really help you learn things properly. In the end mange and anime artists had to learn basic anatomy first too to be able to warp and stylize it into their own thing. Though yes, real human anatomy and drawing from pictures is hard since there isn't any lineart involved like there is with anime and manga, which makes it easier to draw it. It all takes practice though and it will get easier after a little while - I still have a hard time which is why I hardly ever do it and just kind of do my own thing, which honestly is pretty bad, but eh. Haven't been the most productive/motivated as of late.

But anyway, what you need to keep in mind is that anime anatomy is based on human anatomy, and there's a difference because anime is stylized human anatomy (longer legs, big heads, skinny bodies, yada yada)

But anyway, if you really want to use it for practice - even though it might not be the best idea - you can go ahead and do that, but I'd avoid using actual poses out of other animes and just draw other surroundings/actually use it in an "official" work of yours, if that makes sense.
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shoumakyou Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I see. I didn't think of that. Drawing actual human anatomy sounds more proper than getting hands on with warped anatomy. Sorry, I'm just overwhelmed where to start and how to start. I agree that first you need to teach yourself proper anatomy. I'm just feeling lazy and looking for shortcuts. Thank you very much for the input.
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Munuci Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Student General Artist
Aw yes. I understand what you mean, it is kind of overwhelming (and I am quite lazy lol~). I'd say just start with some pictures, like give yourself 30 seconds and make a quick sketch of how the body flows and whatnot. There's also a lot of tutorials on deviantart on anatomy, I"m sure if you read through some of those you'll understand it better, too. They're quite helpful!

And if you're feeling overwhelmed, maybe just focus on the anatomy of the torso first, or the face even, of the legs, arms, etc. Just split it up rather than taking it all in at once. :D

No problem! :heart:
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shoumakyou Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Woah haven't thought of drawing it piece by piece. sounds easier. thank you very much. and 30 sec is too much. just drawing a half body with colors takes me all day. (sometimes getting lazy and browsing the net then draw again.) I'll try everything bit by bit. thank you very much
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Munuci Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Student General Artist
30 seconds is half a minute? XD With the site I sent you you get to choose the amount of time you have for each picture that shows, that's what I was talking about, and like sketch quickly without colours or actual detailed body parts, that's kind of the thing with gesture drawing. xD

But mkay! Just do whatever works for you, good luck! :D
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