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How do you obtain THIN line art on Photoshop CS4?? If you help your character can be the lab rat ;)

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Nivvy26 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I have this thick line art (even though it's pressure sensitive) and it takes away from my art. :(
Maybe I'm working too zoomed in? B/c I use a size 4 brush D:
And I've heard about resizing the picture, but I'm not sure exactly what to do for that specifically. Please help! :heart:

:star: I will even use a character of yours to practice a quick sketch with if you do help me out ;)
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shillermetimbers Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013
If you use Paint Tool Sai, the Ink Pen tool at setting 1.0 on a roughly 1600x1150 canvas at 600% zoom is insanely helpful :) That's what I did for my lineart anyway, I dunno if these were the kinda lines you were looking for (only on the hair, I haven't linearted the rest yet) [link]
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Nivvy26 Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks for your help and suggestions :aww:
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shillermetimbers Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013
:iconfacepalmplz: Just saw that you said Photoshop CS4 and not SAI, I'll let myself out...
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ShimmiDragon Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I always use a massive canvas to sketch and line, then I shrink the image down by half. That not only makes your lineart appear smoother but it also makes it thinner :D Also, using a thinner brush might help!
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Nivvy26 Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I need to try shrinking it then..I forget every time!
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narutokunobessed Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Student General Artist
Think of resizing like drawing on a bigger piece of paper. Its easier to draw more details and smaller lines on a bigger paper then a smaller one. Then the resizing, you get a crisper line.
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Nivvy26 Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Did you want me to test a character of yours out to attempt for thinner lines?
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narutokunobessed Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Student General Artist
Sure. Ive got a bunch of characters. What you want, half naked men, pandacorns, bird humans.
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Nivvy26 Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Give me a ref :>
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narutokunobessed Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Student General Artist
There is alot of references,so here is the galleries and pictures.

Ye old gallery for half naked men (and a 9 year old therapist):
[link]

pandacorn:
[link]


bird humans with references so far:


(there is also roller cannary, a girl bird human, without a reference)
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Nivvy26 Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you~
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Ageen Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I will use my own drawing as an example here. [link]
TThe canvas is 1945x3100 pixels and it has been this size when I was linearting. Here I mostly used a 3pxl round brush and linearted freehand. To obtain even thinner lines, use an even bigger cavas and even thinner brush. And remeber about high resolution (300dpi)
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Nivvy26 Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks, great lighting and color on your picture by the way~
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Ageen Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I'm glad I could help and thank you lots :hug:
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Nivvy26 Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Did you want me to test a character of yours out to attempt for thinner lines?
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Ageen Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I don't really have an OC atm, so I don't think that's possible (even though one is in making, but will take ages, haha).
If you need a character to practice, for the moment I can only offer my human self- if you'd like to try, some pics are in my gallery.
That'd be an honour, but I see that you're mostly an animal artist.

Although... I have an idea. I'll note you, ok?
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Nivvy26 Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I enjoy drawing humans, too, haha. I do need more in my gallery, I don't mind doing both :)
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Vineris Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Work bigger. If 4px looks too fat on 2000x3000, work at 4000x6000. Then the brush will look thinner proportionally.

But in my opinion you have plenty of lines that look thin enough, the problem is that you scribble and it doesn't look clean. When you put down ONE line and it is the right line, your work will look cleaner and more delicate.

Zooming out is not going to help you any, your problems are totally independent of zoom.
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Nivvy26 Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Did you want me to test a character of yours out to attempt for thinner lines?
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Nivvy26 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you for your help!
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puppy-dangerous Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
Can you SHOW us what you're talking about?

I usually draw with a 3-6, but that's the max width and I have a really light touch so it's actually much smaller than that.

Have you tried adjusting your tablet settings?
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Nivvy26 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Sorry, I didn't think of examples! This one was done with a 4 or 5 and I had pressure sensitivity on. I find it to still look bulky (i guess that's the right word).


I worked on a bigger canvas like some of the people suggested for this sketch and it seemed to help.


I'd like to get lines like this artist :icondj88: obtained in this picture:
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puppy-dangerous Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
A bigger canvas is often useful. I usually don't work below 3000X4000 to start out with, and often end up making it bigger. It's not really that unusual for me to end up with it at 9000+ on a side for larger work.

But you also have to work with what your computer can handle. Mine is pretty much used only for photoshop.

What brush are you using?

And how adjustable is your tablet? Can you make it 'harder'? That may help.

There doesn't look to be much variation in the width of your lines, which I think may be part of why it looks so bulky. Part of what we interpret as flowing graceful lines are the slight variations in width that come from an individuals weight and angle.

Have you ever gone into your brushes window, where you can control individual aspects of its behavior? You can set the min. width for the taper, which will be the smallest the line gets when you have a light touch. You can also tweak other stuff. I'd suggest playing around with it some.

I notice in the ideal example you posted that there is also variation in the color of the lines, and in the horns they disappear all together. The lines there are treated as part of the object and react to the light source.

Maybe try using colored lines instead of black and see what happens. I like to sample my base color and then use one a few shades darker or lighter. You just need enough of a difference to make it obviously a line.
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Nivvy26 Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I've never played with taper. I'm not exactly sure what tab it's under either ^^; I have played with the brush presets for shape dynamics and smoothing. And I'm using Brush 2 with about a size 4 or 5 on Basic Brushes and I check the shape dynamics and smoothing boxes on brush presets.

When I worked on a bigger canvas it seemed to help a lot, so I think that was the main problem. Thank you so much for your help! :hug: Did you want me to test a character of yours to attempt for thinner lines?
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puppy-dangerous Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
I've got CS2 so it maybe different, but where I can choose what to show on my workspace ('windows' I think) one of the settings is for brushes. It lets you control individual aspects of the brush- what the taper is and how small to make it, the angle of the brush (it lets you reverse it, too), whether or not it scatters, color dynamics, there are probably about 10 or so aspects you can mess with.

And sure, I'd love a drawing :)
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puppy-dangerous Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
Brush dynamics menu (in cs2):
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Cosmic-doodle Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Do you have an example of how your line art is using the size 4 brush? And do you have an example of what you're trying to achieve?
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Nivvy26 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Sorry, I didn't think of examples! This one was done with a 4 or 5 and I had pressure sensitivity on. I find it to still look bulky (i guess that's the right word).


I worked on a bigger canvas like some of the people suggested for this sketch and it seemed to help.


I'd like to get lines like this artist :icondj88: obtained in this picture:
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Cosmic-doodle Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't see too much difference in the line size in the second drawing compared to the other artist except their lines are a tad smoother. On their lookup they said one of the programs they use often is SAI. You might try that. I've always had better luck at getting thinner lines on SAI than photoshop. :nod:
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Nivvy26 Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Did you want me to test a character of yours out to attempt for thinner lines?
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Nivvy26 Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you~ :)
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Jei-Art Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I keep seeing your comments now I am watching you.
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Graphics-PP Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Oh, btw 300DPI is an old industry standard, but that doesn't mean it's the right DPI for your purposes; depending on what size you print at you may need to lower or raise the DPI.
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Graphics-PP Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Student Digital Artist
DPI does absolutely nothing in PS unless you resample, it's there for printing purposes only. What you want is a high pixel resolution.

For more on DPI and PPI(what PS should change DPI to imo) see here: [link]

Also, a quick trick to use if your lines are overall too thick is to Ctrl+click the layer thumbnail, and go to Select>Modify>Contract, choose an appropriate number, then press Ctrl+Shift+I, and finally delete.
If only parts of it are too thick, that won't work so well though.
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Nivvy26 Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Did you want me to test a character of yours out to attempt for thinner lines?
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Graphics-PP Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I don't have a character, sorry. Why not draw your own characters though? Kill 2 birds with one stone.
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Nivvy26 Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Okay, haha thanks c:
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Nivvy26 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks for the article and your help~
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Neoconvoy Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Student General Artist
A4 at 300dpi or larger.
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Nivvy26 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I think 300 dpi is the highest right?
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Neoconvoy Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Student General Artist
No, you can also have 600 and 1200 dpi, if your computer can work well with these.
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Nivvy26 Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Did you want me to test a character of yours out to attempt for thinner lines?
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Neoconvoy Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Student General Artist
Yes!
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Nivvy26 Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Which one? :)
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Neoconvoy Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Student General Artist
Any of these two: [link]
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Nivvy26 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Ah, I'll have to see!
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Pakaku Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
Work at 4x larger than the drawing will be, and scale it down when it's finished.
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Nivvy26 Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Did you want me to test a character of yours out to attempt for thinner lines?
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Nivvy26 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'll try that~
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Katy-L-Wood Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Student General Artist
Hmmm, have you maybe messed with the minimum diameter of your pressure sensitivity? Sometimes that can keep your lines from getting as thin as you'd like.
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