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Help with Lineart and color

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SharlinsGirls Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
So I recently got back into digital art and I'd like some advise on a few things.

First being line art, I see lots of line art done in this style but I'm not sure how they do it [link] with the nice thin clean lines and stuff. I've tried it both with the brush and with the pen tool in Gimp, but the brush ends up too unclean and the pen looks to robotic. Is there a way to mix to two or what? Also, I can tell the lines aren't black, any advise on how dark they should be?

Second is on color, I've done both cell shade and soft shade [link] [link] Which one looks better? And any advise for improving my color techniques would be great! Thanks!
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Imaginaricide Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't know if this helps, and I don't know if the artist you're citing does this, but something that really gets my lineart looking smooth is just putting it down as sketchy as it comes out, then going in with a really high magnification and shaving down bumps and snags with the eraser. Yeah, it's fairly time consuming, and yeah, I have to be wary of getting so OCD about it that I start smoothing things that won't even really be seen once the piece is shrunk down to normal size, but it can be a good way to get the overall effect looking smoother.
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SharlinsGirls Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
Ah yes that method. I do that from time to time but it gets really long and frustrating for me to do it too much. thanks though!
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arkazain Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Sigurd uses the pen tool for the line art. If you are using a stylus, I would advice that you work on a large canvas (I personally use 210mm x 297mm on 300dpi) so the lines will look smoother when you shrink it down to web size. Plus, there's the fact that small errors will be less visible when you shrink the image :)

As far as the shading goes, out of the two images you posted, I think the cell shaded one looks best, although coloring isn't just limited to those two options ;)
There are also multiple ways to cell shade and "soft shade". I use a sort of mixture of the two as you can see in my gallery.
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SharlinsGirls Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
I tend to scan images and than ink and color over them because I'm really bad at sketching digitally. My scanner doesn't seem to want to scan them in anything better than 72.

I have been considering the soft cell mix but could never quit figure out how to do it right. It's mostly cell on cast shadows and soft on the less harsh lighted areas right?
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deilawliet Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
I think the soft cell drawing looks better.
As for the smooth lines, use a tablet, tamper with the pressure settings and smoothing of pen in whichever program you use and if its in paint tool sai, use a low min size, that'll make it very thin. A dark reddish colour also does the trick well ^^
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SharlinsGirls Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
I do use a tablet. I also use Gimp, for some reason the pressure settings don't seem to be working, I'm not sure if it's the program or the tablet not responding.
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deilawliet Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
hmm, have you checked out the settings on control panel? i think there might be some settings concerning the tablet pressure. If it still doesnt work, then you could use the "paths" tool, or perhaps reduce the size of the pen to the smallest, or get a new program for the lineart then you can use gimp to colour.
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SharlinsGirls Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
I did but for some reason I can't click on anything there. And as of right now I do is a 2.0 sized brush. I use the paths tool sometimes but I always think the lines look bland since there is no depth or variation in weight.
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deilawliet Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
hmm, have you checked out the settings on control panel? i think there might be some settings concerning the tablet pressure. If it still doesnt work, then you could use the "paths" tool, or perhaps reduce the size of the pen to the smallest, or get a new program for the lineart then you can use gimp to colour.
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achipps Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Here is the thing with digital art. It is not a pencil. If you want something that is traditional to describe digital art I would have to say working with an air brush or spray cans. Some tips give you a solid border and they are not good for blending.

With digital art, a lot of programs add something that you can't do with a spray can. and that is stroke. Once you have a shape you can use stroke to create a line around the border.

The main thing you need to think about is how the program works so you can use it, and not how you like it to work. If you want to draw better lines do it on paper, but if you want to work all digital you need to learn how to work with it. Working against the program only makes it a lot harder than ever other way. It is like thinking there is a way to click the pencil to make it fill the area without actually spending a lot of time scribbling to fill it.
You just need to work the way the programs work best. To find out how digital art works best is not much different than learning how to draw with spray cans.
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SharlinsGirls Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
I'm trying for a digital look, I don't want it to look traditional since I can just do that the normal way with paints and markers. What I'm trying to get is that clean, shiny, anime type look. I see lots of artist do this different ways and they all come with different outcomes. I'm not trying to make the program just do things without my skill playing into it or anything, I just want to get advise for how to use it, the correct way. I know Gimp works a lot like photoshop when it comes to digital art, so that's the main thing I'm trying to learn. I understand how the pen works but I'm wanting to try lining with the brush. I'm wondering what settings people put the brush on in order to get clean lines, and I know part of it is just skill but there is some settings that are better than others. I think the brush has more life to it than the pen which is why I want to lean how to use it properly.
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achipps Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
There are two ways to use the brush in Photoshop.
You can use it to draw lines, and you can use it to trim lines just like the eraser.
So you can fix anything you draw until it looks great. If you do that long enough that fixing not only fixes the lines, but it fixes you habit at making the same mistakes.
I can spend a lot of time drawing very fine pixel designs that flow, flower, and look like anything I want, but on a larger scale that takes more work. With digital art I can draw small were everything runs smoother, and enlarge it to use as a guide that I could never draw as good at full size.
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SharlinsGirls Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
Thanks for the advise! I'll just play with it and see what works.
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Pichoochoo Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's most likely done by pen. Mostly size would be 1-2. Also, you can get Paint tool SAI for free! I'll post the download link here: [link]
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Katy-L-Wood Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Student General Artist
Yeah, I'm thinking that lineart was done with the pen tool.
If you're having issues with lineart I suggest looking into a program like Painttool SAI which has some better lineart features.

As for the darkness of the lines, mine varies all the time based on the mood of the piece, the subject, etc.

As for coloring, experiment with everything! One big tip is that shadows aren't black or darker versions of the base color. Look up some color theory, it will explain this a little better.
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SharlinsGirls Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
I would but I have no money! I'd love to get a better program at some point though.

I got the color thearoy part down, I've been a painter for several years so it's not so much with the colors themselves that is the problem with so much as shading style. I just wanted to know if what I had looked any good mainly.

Thank you though!
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Robertthem Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I'm no expert but that really looks like it was made with the pen.
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SharlinsGirls Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
That's what I was thinking but I wasn't sure.
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