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Tablet question

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GLoRToR Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2012   General Artist
Hey,

I'm a penciller / inker for the most part and I love paper. However, it's time I learned how to use digital art and I'm looking to get myself a quality product.
I'm trying to do stuff like digital coloring of my inked comic strips, digital painting, and anything else I can do art-wise. So, I need a versatile tablet.
I'm from central Europe and I was sad to note that the Bamboo Create model I liked so much on the official site is not available in my region. These are the tablets available in my region: [link]
I'm trying to figure out which tablet is the best deal, and which one will work best for me.
Does size matter?
What should I look for?
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Noskillzyo Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2012
I have a wacom splash, its small and i have a 16" monitor, i have no issues when it comes to transferring, my issue is that i suck at drawing but the small tablets are really no problem if your just starting to use them
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FionaCreates Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2012  Professional General Artist
Don't buy a small if you have anything about about a 10 inch screen. You'll find it hard to transfer any of your traditional ability. I use a Medium and it's great but I have used a Small sometimes and it's much more difficult to use.

Look into the brand Monoprice, people have said good things about them, and any of the bamboo range will be ok. Tbh any brand will work so long as it has pressure sensitivity so don't splurge out on a top notch Intuos if you don't even know you'll like it yet.
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GLoRToR Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2012   General Artist
Yeah it's information that I do not have. I'm not going to invest into something until I understand what it is I'm buying.
I get that the tablet has a surface with dots on it and the computer reads the touch of the pen on that, but that's all I know.

I didn't even know you had to buy a new pen every once in a while until just now.
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FionaCreates Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2012  Professional General Artist
Well I've had my intuos nearly 6 years and I'm still on pen 1.

If you don't break it it'll still work. Some people break theres.. I also know people who still use the Wacom Graphire brand they bought well before the Bamboo existed (over 6 years old)

So if you get a bamboo or a cheaper tablet it won't inhibit you either in longevity if you take care of it.
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:iconglortor:
GLoRToR Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2012   General Artist
What are the differences between various tablets? Bamboo, intuos, various products of bamboo?
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FionaCreates Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2012  Professional General Artist
the Intuos is the top of the range, it has a higher ammount of pressure sensitivity, ie it's more natural. However the Bamboo also has pressure sensitivity but less levels. Though I believe my old Intuos 3 has the same ammount of levels of a Bamboo has at the moment. So long as it can detect pressue (which both Bamboo and Intuos can) then that's all you need.

The Intuos also has a series of 8 programmable buttons so you can make things like ctrl+z one button click on your tablet.

As for the Bamboos types it is a way for them to make the technology available to anyone for cheap and have a range of extras which bump up the price depending on what you want.

The Bamboo Pen is just a drawing area and a tablet pen. It has no buttons or added extras.

The Pen and Touch also works (I believe) like a laptop trackpad, so you can navigate on the surface just like a laptop or with your fingers. It also has 4 express keys to customize to what you want them to do on your computer.

The Fun Pen and a Touch offers 2 sizes, as well as comes with some graphics progammes listed on the .eu wacom site.

And the Manga seems to be the Pen and Touch with Manga Studio software bundled in.

So it just depends what you want with your tablet. Just the tablet? Need some software? Need some buttons? etc.

as a first tablet I don't recommend going straight to intuos it's expensive and unnecessary at first. Bamboos are great, I know even professionals who use them.
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GLoRToR Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2012   General Artist
What does the sensitivity difference entail between intuos and bamboo in effect? Can you give a clear example?
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FionaCreates Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2012  Professional General Artist
Depending on how you set your program up depends on what this does.

One of the things you can do is set it up so if you press lightly you'll get a small mark, and if you press hard you'll get a big mark.

The difference between the two levels of sensitivity will not change this. You will still get small marks and big marks if this is how you set it up. Just the more sensitive the hardware (ie the Intuos) the more precice control you get. But it's really not noticeable in the art and really something advanced users notice and make use of.

The Current Bamboos have 1024 levels of pressure sensitivity. This is the same as I have in my Intuos 3 and it hasn't done me any harm. I'm sure I'd notice a difference if I bought a new Intuos now, but considering when I bought the Intuos 1024 levels was top notch and now it's their basic, technology changes pretty fast.
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:iconglortor:
GLoRToR Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2012   General Artist
Nevermind, my isp is being a d*ck.
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GLoRToR Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2012   General Artist
I'm one to do delicate pencils / pens on paper all the time, using 2H, HB, B, 2B, 4B and 6B pencils as well as 0.1 to 0.9 markers when I work. All that on an A3.
Do you think bamboo will be enough to return that detail?

Oops. Did I hit reply? Heh.
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GLoRToR Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2012   General Artist
I'm one to do delicate pencils / pens on paper all the time, using 2H, HB, B, 2B, 4B and 6B pencils as well as 0.1 to 0.9 markers when I work. All that on an A3.
Do you think bamboo will be enough to return that detail?
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Mercury-Crowe Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
For the most part, the brand doesn't matter. Get one that won't poop out on you after a few months.

For size, that's really up to you. Smaller is cheaper, and if you like to work on a small surface it's fine. I have a larger one and prefer that.

Be sure to check how expensive the pens are. Those will wear out and need to be replaced once in a while, and it can be anywhere from $30-$200.
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GLoRToR Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2012   General Artist
I'm looking to get an intuos5 (Small). Google is not being helpful with price tags, not even wacom.eu seems to tell me what the pen costs. Any idea?
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Mercury-Crowe Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
Looks like a new pen is at least $60 US from the wacom store, possibly more.
[link]

Try googling 'wacom intuos 5 replacement stylus' and use the 'shopping' filter.

I've got a very old wacom graphire 3, it uses the same pen as some of the new bamboo models, it's about $30 for a replacement pen and $7 for five nibs.

I don't know how well the new bamboo tablets hold up, though. It seems like newer tablets don't work as long.

My graphire is about 10 years old, I've been using it for 8 (got it used) and the only thing I've had to do is patch the cable when my squirrel chewed on it. The connection from the cable to the tablet is getting a little funky now so sometimes you have to wiggle it to get it to connect.
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GLoRToR Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2012   General Artist
Ew, no, it's too much for local price standards I'm afraid. We are on 2nd world salaries here. lol
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siantjudas Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2012   Digital Artist
Lol, no worries, I make due with an intuos 4, I'm saying that what we all want someday is a cintique.

Also use the reply button. It makes this whole taking in the forums thing easier.
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GLoRToR Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2012   General Artist
Alright. I've been offered an intuos small at the retailer, but it's ... small. You say the size doesn't really matter?
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siantjudas Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2012   Digital Artist
No, it really doesn't I'd take the intuos if you can, it's a very good tablet.
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GLoRToR Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2012   General Artist
How much does a cintique medium cost?
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GLoRToR Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2012   General Artist
I've seen the inkling but I definitely want a tablet, so that I can digital-paint and color and all that.
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siantjudas Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2012   Digital Artist
Bamboo should do you fine if you're on a budget, intous if you can afford, either, size is you preference, but I'd recommend something around medium sized. Cintique if you got the money to burn. Cintique is what you should be aspiring to.
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siantjudas Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2012   Digital Artist
Size doesn't matter, since working on the computer with it, it's all relative to the the screen and the area of the image you choose to be working on at a given time. Size is more for how much active area you want at a time, but it really is more for personal comfort and preference than anything.

If you prefer the paper aspect, I suggest looking at Wacom's inkling. It takes your traditional drawings and records those as digital files which you can upload to the computer. Down side is that you can only work at a certain size of paper. I haven't tried it, but it looks promising, and even though I have an intuos 4, I would have gotten an inkling and used that heavily had I had the funds. Look into it.
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