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Could I get some help on my character design? I would appreciate it and happy to return the favour.

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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
So I'm currently working on a piece, but I've been struggling with the damn shoes, they look MUCH flatter than everything else and also, not very interesting, I also don't think it feels very, 3D, and I think that has a lot to do with my understanding.

Anyway, any pointers, references I could work with or any ideas for the design ( as they look boring ) I would be much appreciative with.

Image:
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Thank you, and if you do reply, link me an image if you need help and I'll be happy to return the favour.
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Tanathiel Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Well first off, depends on what you want to turn this into :)

I can easily see a slight hint of Victorian era clothing style with its elaborate lining and design. Or more pirate-ish. Or steampunk. Or noble. A gunslinger. A sword duelist X) Actually anything can be made out of it. Even a 19th century era civilian too.


For the feet: I think that the legs are slightly shorter (the thighs at least), this throws off the perspective, thats why you might be finding it off.
If you have a mirror about, try to stand like that a bit, so you can check what goes where. But even at a glance the back leg should not be that high. It should be more near the other feet in height. The other way around is to change the front feet.

Even a small mirror would do :) Or... ask somebody to capture a pic from you while you stand like that and you can use it as a one-on-one reference ^^
The other thing is, there are a lot of nice reference pics in the stock photoes in DA, look around there :D I usually take a look around when I need to do a bit difficult angle or something on a girl/guy :)
Also if you are not sure about the perspective, it helps a lot, to draw a few lines to the wanishing point, so you'll know whats where :D

Hope it helps =)
Good luck with the drawing ^^
Eh, you made this post 5x days ago, so you might as well finished with it x)
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Fieldweeble Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012   Digital Artist
Not necessarily a perspective or rendering tidbit, but the inside ankle (the end of the tibia) is higher than the outside ankle (the end of the fibula). That being reversed here might have something to do with it looking slightly awkward.
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AlanTheRobot Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012
Somebody has mentioned it, but the angle of the farthest foot is off. It should be angled more towards you. I would suggest fixing it before going any further. But you're more concerned about the design...

The sole of the shoe should be thicker, especially towards the back. I notice women's shoes also almost always have a slightly higher heel than men's.

I saw the new version with the golden design. While I like the design, it looks like armor. I'm not sure if that's what you intended, but it would make it really hard to walk. If it's meant to be cloth or leather you should lessen the detailing highlights or possibly add texture to it to show it's not gold/metal.

As for things you could add to the boots to make them more interesting in terms of design: straps, buttons, buckles, zippers, designs on the leather/cloth (stitched, painted, embossed), laces, laces along the sides (actually, how does she take off the shoe? as I see none of these. Think comfort apart from visual appeal), weapons attached, etc.

My best advice would be to google some pictures of boots.

Btw... you look good at doing/shading faces. I've been having some problems doing lighting/features from scratch. I don't have an image up but if you could look at the recent forum post I made, if you have any advice, I would be grateful. If you don't that's fine. [link]
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lou2209 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Since your boots look awesome now I was thinking maybe extra character and details with other parts of the clothing. Like on the belt maybe.
I have no idea what to suggest thought cause I don't know anything about her except that she seems to like swords XD

Maybe if she's a noble or more well off some embroidery or lace in the shirt? Or if she's adventurous and on the road maybe she carries various things in a bag, or on her belt? Or maybe her shirt would be ripped or patched up a little in places.
Hmm or maybe you could add layers? Layers usually make designs more appealing, and can make them more practical too if it suits the climate.

Although I have no idea if that was helpful at all I was just rambling while staring at your wip XD
This blog may help a little [link]
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nickworcester Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student General Artist
in my opinion, art can always be improved by adding detail. maybe you can add some flyleaves or embroidery in the leather?
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matahoata Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
those shoes look great :) btw i think you should try to enhance the colors (color gradience for each light and shade)... look at the buttons you made for the shoes it appears very 3d because u've used proper gradients to the colors and the light and shade is perfect...darken the brown for places that should me darker then lighten for places that should be lighter... also i think putting a more noticeable sole to the shoe facing front can help ,as it can add up to the depth... or match the pointedness of the left shoe to the right shoe that would do the trick.... other than that the design was cool :) hope you finish the design soon :)
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I've redone the design, care to give me some feedback?
[link]
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Kitsune-Okayasu Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
The new design looks great. I think you need to make the shine on the toe of the boot stand out a little more. The designs going up the leg have a nice metallic feel to them, but when it gets to the toe it loses it. Maybe play around and try to give the boot itself a more leather appearance (It is leather right? If not disregard what I said). Right now it gives off a more hard rubber look, maybe add a few subtle creases near the ankle to show they've been worn. Unless the character just got them, but judging by the characters look I would say she would have gotten them hand made, rather than in some factory. So maybe show a few imperfections to give off that hand made feel.

Just a few thoughts :)
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Sangrde Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
oH i Love the redesign! Maybe add overlay effect in red and orange on the filigree so it gives more like copper and gritty & old fashioned look rather than gold? .. you could also add some unique looking spurs at the heels.. not like cowboy boots but it'd be nice if you can put some your original concept in that design, i'm not sure what kind of fantasy/concept it is, so yeah ; u ;
And you could also add some skin colors under the shirt so it's kinda like see-through sheepon type fabric, if you want to xD


Oh and it'd be nice if you could help me with my concept too.. the director wants me to change his expression to more 'angry, aggressive looking as possible' [link]
he's supposed to be beasty, warrior-like character. I kinda changed the eyes and mouth [link] [link]
but I want more aggressive, crazy face but I don't wanna redraw the whole face. i need to get this done by friday ;;; u ;;; ... any suggestion would help c: !
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Well, the design looks great, but the face is definitely weak, the biggest issue is the top of the nose, its very, obvious, hm.. this one is tough! I know what the problem is, how to fix it, I don't know. I would make the chin a little wider, to make it a little more 3d ( though try this on a new layer, to see how it goes, I also think his eye is quite wide. Basically, you need to make it 3D.

Here I painted over and made some structure, basically, if his mouth was open it would be a little longer, also, his head line is too small, the lines that I've drawn is his skull, his hear would be a little bigger than that.

I think that may help, perhaps:
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Sangrde Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Thank you :heart:! i believe that helped me a lot with facial proportions. Is this expression look better? [link] I hope ^w^;;
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
his left eye is still really far away, try to imagine the face as a rounded box, the eyes don't go over where the temple is. The best thing is to take a photo of yourself at that angle, just to help with proportions. However its much better than it was!
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StormAndy Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012
Did you use a reference for the Legs? The foot angle on the right(furthest away foot) is at an angle which the angle cannot rotate too naturally. The foot can sway left and right about 20-30 degrees from ankle attachment to the lower leg. The lower leg at the knee joint can also twist about 10-20 degrees but together they can only really create about a 50 degree angle from the Upper-leg, and your foot is drawn at a 80-90 degree angle from the Upper-leg.
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narutokunobessed Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012  Student General Artist
Thats what I though too.
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Yes I did, I shall have another look however.
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narutokunobessed Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012  Student General Artist
Try posing that for yourself why thats not possible. I did that pose, and wow that backfoot was a twist for me.
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I've changed it, quite a while ago.
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StormAndy Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012
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MsMissy87 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Professional General Artist
i don't have a reference but just the classic adding of highlights? make the contrast stronger?
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Yeah I'm doing this :) I've also added a filigree design, you can see it here if you're interested:
[link]

Its still messy, I work quite scruffy, unfortunately D:
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MsMissy87 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Professional General Artist
oh wow nice, haha my 20 month old saw it and said 'pretty!!!'
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Awwwh, I feel flattered! Give your baby a big hug for me, and a thank you! :'D
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MsMissy87 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Professional General Artist
i will thank you :) can't wait to see the result :)
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Me either! Though I have a long way to go I think D:
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MsMissy87 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Professional General Artist
you do some really amazing work :)
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Awh thank you :tighthug:
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
I'm feeling a little braindead right now (you know what time it is! =p), so apologies if I've got the wrong end of the stick....

The boots could definitely use a little more of a sole; they're currently quite thin, which doesn't help them look supportive. The angle of the back foot makes it look bigger than the front one, and I'm not sure the effect you're shooting for, but personally I'd make her front foot rather more substantial; it's currently quite narrow.

As for the design; I do like what you've done with the rims, but some toe-caps would look interesting. The redesign is interesting, but I prefer the original boot-top. The beefed-up sole and toe-cap look good, but I feel your current toe-cap design looks too heavy and clunky for the fine aesthetic you're aiming for... maybe a cap with a more streamlined shape would fit better.

Also, you know your shit, so I value your opinion... it'd be awesome if you could have a viddy at my comic work [link] and give a quick opinion. :paranoid:
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I've had a bit of a re-design:
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That was a rough drawing of it, though I've refined it a little!

As for your comic work, it feels very, illustrator-y, as in the program. Its very sharp, and its not very organic, I would like some, softer curves, some more natural shadows. I really like the value work, and the play of the black vs white with the nice framing, but my point of focus for your practise would be the actual line work, or, the shadows.

[link]

this is quite a good example I think, though its not digital, and scruffy, but the actual areas of shadow feel very, natural, and very nicely stylised. Though I'm not much of a comic book artist!
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Beautiful-Doubt Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Perhaps add some silver? maybe on the tip and the heel? embellish maybe a symbol? (since rapier/fencing is popular among royals) or you could make some trim, maybe a lip that hangs from the top, three musketeers style XD
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Okay well I've done a bit of a re-design, can I have your thoughts?

I wanted to go with some pretty, elaborate filigree designs, so I definitely did try to implement that on this design:
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Its a bit scruffy, I'm afraid. But basically there will be wing type filigree patterns running around, then an emblem under the knee.
Also, have any ideas on hair?! D: I don't know what I should do?!
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Beautiful-Doubt Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
oooo I think the re-design looks nice :D and as for hair when i look at the picture I first see a little past shoulder length brown hair that she has flipped to the side because shes gonna fight. theni thought well she has to put on a helmet so then i thing a braid coming over her shoulder.
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I'm glad it looks more interesting! Yeah, I may have a helmet on, it actually wasn't even a consideration. I'll have a play, if I get confused you may get me bugging you for opinions, if you don't mind!
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Beautiful-Doubt Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
XP not at all, I love helping.
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TheAebastian Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Well i'm not sure if this would be really helpful but when I saw the boot I imagined in my head the same boot just with a steel tip. Do you get what i'm saying? That might be more visually interesting, the only thing that would be difficult is the shading and highlighting it to look like metal.

Hope that kinda helps!
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Oh, that IS interesting, I would really like that actually! She is going to be a rapier fighter, so that makes sense! Thank you for a wicked idea :D
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TheAebastian Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Glad I could help! :D
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
You really did! :D
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UhmKhay Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Student General Artist
Not much cause I'm short on time, but once leather boots (they're leather, right?) have been worn a few times, they start to get little wrinkles as they break in, and some leather boots come with big wrinkles for the sake of fashion.
(very)Worn leather: [link]
Big wrinkles(could be around ankles): [link]

Also, most boots curve up at the toe for whatever reason, so adding that in will make them even more accurate. :)
Hope I helped & I'm sure the finished result will be amazing! :D
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Yeah I know about the wrinkles, I was trying to establish the shape and design, I'll be adding some memory wrinkles a little later, I'll keep on looking, I feel like that because the reference was flat footed, I'm finding it difficult to establish how it would be if it was in a shoe. damn it! D:
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UhmKhay Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Student General Artist
It doesn't seem to me like shoes for flat feet are much different, but I can see where you're coming from. Maybe only make the toe curve up the slightest bit, just for extra definition?
As for the design of the boots, making sure the leather doesn't cling exactly to the shape of the leg might work in your favour, as well as the highlights thing *shininginthedarkness said before me. :)
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Yeah, I found this stock:
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It has a better shape and I think that will help me!
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I think they'd pop out a bit more with some more highlighting. Perhaps the foot facing forward should be a smidge more foreshortened. Maybe.
Also, while I CAN stand like that, it's a bit uncomfortable, and I think I just strained my bad hip.
Whenever I need a shoe pose reference I just put some boots on and take a picture.'

Everything above the feet looks pretty good to me. I'm not great at thinking up stuff... maybe a flashy necklace?
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I'll add details later ( I was more thinking for the shoes, they look dull!! ) I've been using a reference, so I don't really think the foot angle is the problem, the problem is the reference has no shoes on, well, that makes it hard to house the feet a little. I'll have to go hunting for more references.
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serbus Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Well, the only thing I can see is that the knee and the foot should be pointing the same direction. Try either pulling the knee more out (which would move the curve of the whole leg) or bringing the foot more in (which would only adjust the angle of the foot). Sorry, I wish I had time for a redline, but I'm just taking a short break from finals atm.
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Self-Epidemic Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
No the actual leg is fine, ( reference ) its the actual design of the boot, and the foot shape thats, well not wrong, but it doesn't really look like its supporting the foot at all.
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