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Photoshop & Paint Tool Sai - Which programme do you use when you want to [insert task here]?

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thezeronumber Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012
Just a random question/thought of mine but I am very interested in knowing the "answer", if there is one.

I've been hearing some good things about the two of these programmes working together. Paint Tool Sai seems to be the "go to" programme for line-art and any effects or filters required can be handled with Photoshop thanks to the ability to save files in the .PSD format.

That sounds great in theory but what is it about these two that make them work so well together? What programme would you be rushing to if you needed to do a specific task? Let's imagine you have neither programme open but you know exactly what you want to do next on your half-finished art piece. If you wanted to, for example add some sun glare, what programme would you go to? If you wanted to select a region and fill the entire area with a block colour, which one would you pick? What about copy-and-pasting a specific bit? Altering the colours after they have been placed? Rotating the canvas so you can draw better lines? Etc.

I'm just wondering how someone would come to the thought process of "I need to save this file and reload it in the other programme so I can complete the task there". Would you be going constantly back and forth between the two or would you start in one programme (PT Sai) and finish in another (PS)? Even then, at what point would you make this decision and change over?

I know it's a really strange subject but it's something I have been curious about for the past week. I won't be able to test this out myself for a few weeks yet so I thought the next best thing would be asking others which use both.
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helloabakkus Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
SAI is my go-to. I prefer its brushes vastly over anything Photoshop has ever offered, they simply feel more natural to me, and less like rubbing a stamp around. I do all of my work from sketching through to colouring in SAI, hopping to Photoshop only for postwork if I feel there's a need. SAI also runs much smoother and lighter than PS for me, which my laptop greatly appreciates.
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thezeronumber Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012
That last sentence sums up my reasons for thinking about picking up PT Sai. The time spent learning and adapting could be time spent creating new pieces in Photoshop but if the device you're working on cannot handle PS as well as you would like, well, it's a no-brainer really! Plus as you say, it has a different feel to it and change isn't necessarily a bad thing.

What laptop do you work on may I ask?
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helloabakkus Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I use a two year old Samsung running win7.
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IoCasius Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Well, I use both and I do exactly what you say.
Drawing, sketching in PS is simply a pain because it gets laggy (due to my 4 years old laptop) so I use PaintTool Sai. Photoshop is what I use for applying text, or the many layer styles and preferences it can offer. But that's only after I have my lineart clean and coloured!
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thezeronumber Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012
So you sketch, complete line-art and colour in PT Sai while swapping to Photoshop for finishing touches?
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IoCasius Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Yes, exactly!
I highly recommend this work-flow for people with old computers, like 4 years or older!
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thezeronumber Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012
Why specifically for older computers, is the sketching and line-art that bad in Photoshop on slower devices?

I have a Toshiba Tecra M7 on the way, a convertible laptop-come-tablet from 2006 but it has been upgraded a fair amount to compensate. Been told Paint Tool Sai should run beautifully although Photoshop seems to be a case of finding out the hard way. As long as it doesn't lag my lines to the extent of having curves appear jagged I will be happy.
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IoCasius Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I have seen that , in my computer, there is delay between the actual stroke of my pen on the tablet and its appearance on the PS workspace. It all depends on the resolution of the document you are working on, though, always talking about PS.
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thezeronumber Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012
All tablets have that (there is a term for it but I cannot recall the name). I don't mind the lagging behind as long as it follows where I was pressing on the surface. The problem comes when it lags behind and doesn't follow the arc, instead going for a "shortcut" and not following the path of the pen.

I guess an example would be drawing a circle. With a delay that still follows the path it would come out like a "O" but if it delays and doesn't follow the path then it could look more like a "D". It might vary depending on what programme you use, I don't know. One of those things I have to try out.
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MattCombsArt Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012
You can easily do everything you need in photoshop. You dont need to switch different programs for painting. Photoshop you can do anything as long as you know the correct tools to do it. I do everything in photoshop start to finish and i dont feel the need at all to jump into a different program to finish something i was doing in ps. When i paint its 100% photoshop, dont need another program to aid it. Just learn more about photoshop and you wont have this issue.
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thezeronumber Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012
I'm amazed at how many times someone can mention Photoshop in a reply, heh.

Well, the point of the question was to find where one would stop and another would start if it mattered enough for the user and it had that much effect on the final result. I am sure someone _could_ do almost everything in Photoshop but at the end of the day it's a photo-editing tool and may not do things as well as other options, in this example Paint Tool Sai. If an alternate programme does half of the things they want to do to a better standard then why should they stick to Photoshop if it's not going to be as fast or as easy or as high of quality? Surely picking the "better bits" so to get the best of both worlds is going to improve the end product.

That's why I have made this topic. I know people use both in conjunction, I just don't know _how_ they use both and _what_ they use each one for; start on one and finish on another, constantly go back and forth, use one for a small amount and do 90% of the work on the other, swap to the other just to do one little bit because it does it better? It's a mystery to me but something I would love to know more about.
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MattCombsArt Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012
"at the end of the day it's a photo-editing tool" lol.....


i know photoshop can be hard to learn...this is how it is when someone 1st opens it... [link]

when you know ps you dont have to switch programs to do things like this...[link]
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thezeronumber Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2012
No offence but I don't think you're quite grasping what I am on about.

You may laugh but that's exactly what Photoshop was designed for: Editing images and manipulating photos. Even Adobe have said that. If you want to recreate traditional media in a digital form then that doesn't instantly mean Photoshop is the best programme. What if you don't want to do the style of art to which you linked? What if you want to do a load of line-art for a manga piece? No doubt you would say "Photoshop can do that" and I would agree, it can indeed do that, but Paint Tool Sai can also do that and it does it a lot better. It also has a better colour-blending system and can replicate what one might see when trying to mix paints on an easel or canvas.

They won't find that in Photoshop. Thus, they might want to use PT Sai first and then swap to PS afterwards to do some other things.
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Katara-Alchemist Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Student General Artist
Woops. Funny faces. XD
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Naariel Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Dem funny faces. XD
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Katara-Alchemist Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Student General Artist
Sun Glare=Photoshop
Fill a region=Photoshop
Copy-Paste=Photoshop
Altering Colors=Photoshop
Rotating Canvas=Photoshop. If you have the right kind of graphics card and one of the newer versions of photoshop you can rotate the canvas the same way you can in SAI.

I used to go back and forth between SAI and Photoshop, but it just wasn't worth the effort. As soon as I got a computer with a better graphics card that allowed me to rotate the canvas in photoshop I basically stopped using SAI. Photoshop can do pretty much everything SAI can.

The one thing that SAI has that photoshop doesn't is extremely customizable line capabilities. But as someone who doesn't use much lineart anymore, if any, this doesn't really benifit me.
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FriendlyHand Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
LOL at the =p

Thank you for showing me there is a better looking version of :P !
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Katara-Alchemist Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Student General Artist
Welcome. :XD:
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thezeronumber Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012
Brilliant, this is the type of reply I was hoping to get. If I can get a whole topic full of these I will be happy and thanks for sharing your experiences.

I have a feeling I may be the "start in Sai, finish in PS" kind of person, at least when I want to do a lot of line-art. The problem is finding out (the hard way) whether my system will be able to handle large files/resolutions with these programmes: I have an upgraded Tecra M7 that is 2-3 weeks away.
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Katara-Alchemist Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Student General Artist
Welcome.

My old computers used to handle both programs just fine, as long as I made sure to clean files off of my computer every couple weeks to keep it from getting to full. I just keep everything on an external hard-drive or USBs.
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