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Having problems with lineart

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Kattkins Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Student General Artist
Hello all,

I'm a digital artist, using a wacom bamboo and Photoshop Elements 8, and I've noticed that my lineart is really rather thick and clumsy. I've tried to use smaller brushes for making the lineart neater, but it isn't working. Does anyone else have this problem?

Please, if you have any tips or just want to exchange advice, please comment!

Thank you~!
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UrFallenAngel90 Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I've got PSE9, but I prefer using Gimp, especially for lineart/inking, because I had the same issues as you're having with PSE.
I ended up using Gimp for lineart/inking. The ink tool in Gimp really solved my problems, because it's easy to get thinner, thicker and smoother lines with just that one tool, and it looks better than any changes I've made to brushes in PSE.
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Kattkins Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Student General Artist
I have problems using Gimp. I can't get my tablet to work on making lines thicker or thinner than the set sizes in the program, so I rarely use it nowadays (still have the software though). The only thing I really like about Gimp is the paths tool. That's just my personal view on it. Hopefully I'll try and get painttool SAI soon, so that mights sort some of my problems out.
Thank you for the tips though!
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Clchriskl Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Wow I could learn from this thread. Thanks for making it! :)
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Kattkins Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Student General Artist
No problem! I just thought it would be a good idea to ask about it, rather than let it stay a problem. ^^
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lemon1986 Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012
okay now don't expect every person to checkout your gallery and think of a solution for you! we would really appreciate it if you make easy for the rest of us, for now I'll assume you're talking about this! [link]

first of all, I'm no expert! but I'll help as much as I can, lineart is all about the RIGHT brush setting and a steady hands! there are million ways to achive a clean lineart like brush stabilizers or vectoring programs, so suit yourself and go with the one you're comfortable with! I do my lineart "manually" by drawing them quickly so the lines don't look wobbly. of course that requires a lot of practice, and I'm still working on it!

I would drop that photoshop elements in favor of painttool SAI and sketchbook pro! they have options like "steady stroke" or "stabilizer" that helps you to make clean lineart!
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Kattkins Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Student General Artist
Ah sorry, I didn't realise that was what people would think I was asking. I was just looking for standardised tips...but yes, that is one of the pictures I wish I could have drawn better.
Ok, I usually start off with several sketch layers, but they are also rather thick. I don't particularly have a steady hand, so I'll try out stabilisers. One of my friends has offered to give me painttool SAI, but I don't have it yet, and my only other software is Gimp, which I now loathe to draw in.
Thank you very much for your time and advice, I really appreciate it.
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L1V1D Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012
my line art is pretty clumsy too. I've learned to just work around it.... for instance, I can usually hide it when I color. You might find it doesn't look so thick, though, if you used colors other than black.
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Kattkins Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Student General Artist
hmm, interesting idea! I might have to try that out. ^^
Thank you very much for the advice!
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L1V1D Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012
no problem!
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Zoltruke Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012
Hello,

With the lines, I usually use the hard brush, 4px. Sometimes it might not came out neat; at times like that, the Eraser tool may be used to rub out some of the thicker parts and the edge where two or more lines meets.

It might also be about the way the line is drawn. A single line can come out neater if you whip it faster with your wrist. Sometimes slowly drawing a line can make the line a bit shaky.
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Kattkins Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Student General Artist
Hi!
Ah, you use a much smaller brush size than I do. I use about 9px on the hard brush, but that's because I feel a bit uncomfortable with the smaller brushes...methinks I should get more friendly with the magnifying tool. XD
I also have a hunch that my sketching style is partially to blame as well. I often draw rather thick lines in my sketches, and it then translates into the final lineart.

I find drawing like that makes my lines come out worse, personally. I have terrible control with my wrist in the times I've tried that technique. I kinda wish that photoshop had a paths or curved line tool like Gimp. That would make things a lot easier.
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Zoltruke Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012
Haha, yes, the magnifying tool is quite helpful. I usually zoom in around 300%-400% to work on the details; when zoomed out at the actual canvas size, it makes the overall image looks neater.
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Kattkins Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Student General Artist
Wow, that's a large magnification in comparison to what I normally use!
I normally get to about 200 at most, but that might just be due to my canvas size. Apparently I use a really small canvas. I thought it was fairly large, but hey what do I, an amateur, know?! XD
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FriendlyHand Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Hi,

1) many hours of practice
2) appropriate canvas size and resolution. (For example, a canvas 7x7 inches at 300 dpi will allow more subtleties and variation of line work than 7x7 inches at 72 dpi.) You can still reduce the finished art before uploading.
3) many more hours of practice
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Kattkins Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Student General Artist
hello~
haha, yeah, practice makes perfect! XD
I normally use a 12 x 16 cm canvas size...usually around 120 ppi. Any larger, and my computer tends to freeze, unfortunately.
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Katy-L-Wood Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Student General Artist
It's just a matter of practice, really. Maybe try working on a larger canvas with a larger DPI so you can get finer details.
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Kattkins Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Student General Artist
Thank you for the advice. I find that my computer tends to freeze a lot when I work in larger canvas sizes though. I normally use a 12x16 cm rectangle for my works to keep it working smoothly, but even that can cause it to become slow and juddery.
I've been using a tablet for a year now. I'm kinda at the point where I feel my art should be better than it is currently. I've been losing esteem about my skills because of it.
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Katy-L-Wood Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Student General Artist
It's probably because you're working at such a small size. 12x16cm is very small, and while that's not a bad thing it is going to limit what you can do.
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Kattkins Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Student General Artist
I see. Thank you. I'll try and experiment, and hope that my computer decides it's going to cooperate. XD
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Katy-L-Wood Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Student General Artist
Welcome.

Have you tried cleaning off your computer a bit? Take all your old files and move them to an external hard-drive or USB, and delete old programs you don't use anymore. Freeing up some space like that can help things run a bit faster.
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Kattkins Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Student General Artist
I've been trying to uninstall some software I don't use anymore, but it hasn't made much of a difference. The problem with moving documents is that I only have one laptop, and I use it for schoolwork as well, which also takes up a heck of a lot of space. I'm in the middle of a course, so I'm paranoid about moving things and not being able to find them as well. ^^"
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Katy-L-Wood Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Student General Artist
Ah. Maybe move older school work, and only keep the stuff you're working on right now on the laptop?
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Kattkins Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Student General Artist
I'll try and find a spare USB with enough space then. I recently broke my old one, which didn't help the paranoia. oh IB, why must you make me so afraid of losing work?!
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